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I don't understand the logic. They're more private for admitting that they don't respect your privacy?

Dalewyn 3y ago
Microsoft and Google don't even try to hide the fact they will siphon your data, whether you like it or not. You can turn off some of the egregious siphoning, but that's about it. Mozilla meanwhile claims to be the champion of digital privacy, marketing Firefox as the private browser of choice along with a host of ostensibly privacy products such as VPN, all the while also siphoning data. Turning it all off requires digging deep into about:config. One group is honest (or at least relatively more so) about what they do. The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes. As such, I daresay Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla because you know what you sign up for.
- rrix2 3y ago
  > The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes Oh come on, Baker was around since the Netscape days. You just don't like her cause she was a Suit, and that's fine. But except for a bunch of engineers Netscape had a bunch of Suits. It's not some conspiracy that a Suit is still running things.
- LegibleCrimson 3y ago
  I don't think that's what the word "private" means. It's not the same thing as "honest". Compare the data. Mozilla may be less honest than Google and Microsoft (a premise I also disagree with), but they are demonstrably harvesting much less data.
- st3fan 3y ago
  "siphoning data" is a pretty bold claim. you can't just type those words without being very specific.
  - JonChesterfield 3y ago
    For Google and Microsoft? That's literally their business model.
- reciprocity 3y ago
  This is ridiculous. Firefox doesn't beat around the bush with telemetry and makes this clear when you install a new copy of it to your machine. It also does not require "messing around in about:config", this option is presented to the user in Settings, in plainly stated language and in a central location (unlike other browsers, particularly Edge, and Chrome, with privacy related settings in 40 different drop down menus).

Microsoft and Google don't even try to hide the fact they will siphon your data, whether you like it or not. You can turn off some of the egregious siphoning, but that's about it. Mozilla meanwhile claims to be the champion of digital privacy, marketing Firefox as the private browser of choice along with a host of ostensibly privacy products such as VPN, all the while also siphoning data. Turning it all off requires digging deep into about:config. One group is honest (or at least relatively more so) about what they do. The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes. As such, I daresay Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla because you know what you sign up for.

rrix2 3y ago
> The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes Oh come on, Baker was around since the Netscape days. You just don't like her cause she was a Suit, and that's fine. But except for a bunch of engineers Netscape had a bunch of Suits. It's not some conspiracy that a Suit is still running things.
LegibleCrimson 3y ago
I don't think that's what the word "private" means. It's not the same thing as "honest". Compare the data. Mozilla may be less honest than Google and Microsoft (a premise I also disagree with), but they are demonstrably harvesting much less data.
st3fan 3y ago
"siphoning data" is a pretty bold claim. you can't just type those words without being very specific.
- JonChesterfield 3y ago
  For Google and Microsoft? That's literally their business model.
reciprocity 3y ago
This is ridiculous. Firefox doesn't beat around the bush with telemetry and makes this clear when you install a new copy of it to your machine. It also does not require "messing around in about:config", this option is presented to the user in Settings, in plainly stated language and in a central location (unlike other browsers, particularly Edge, and Chrome, with privacy related settings in 40 different drop down menus).