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Apparently it is also the same service that Mozilla Monitor uses, as per ToS. Big yikes. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription-services/

Apparently it is also the same service that Mozilla Monitor uses, as per ToS. Big yikes. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription-services/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription...

Dalewyn 3y ago
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- lagrange77 3y ago
  God damn honest is maybe slightly exaggerated.
- actualwitch 3y ago
  > Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla Having used an app firewall, I have determined this to be false.
- LegibleCrimson 3y ago
  I don't understand the logic. They're more private for admitting that they don't respect your privacy?
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Microsoft and Google don't even try to hide the fact they will siphon your data, whether you like it or not. You can turn off some of the egregious siphoning, but that's about it. Mozilla meanwhile claims to be the champion of digital privacy, marketing Firefox as the private browser of choice along with a host of ostensibly privacy products such as VPN, all the while also siphoning data. Turning it all off requires digging deep into about:config. One group is honest (or at least relatively more so) about what they do. The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes. As such, I daresay Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla because you know what you sign up for.
    - rrix2 3y ago
      > The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes Oh come on, Baker was around since the Netscape days. You just don't like her cause she was a Suit, and that's fine. But except for a bunch of engineers Netscape had a bunch of Suits. It's not some conspiracy that a Suit is still running things.
    - LegibleCrimson 3y ago
      I don't think that's what the word "private" means. It's not the same thing as "honest". Compare the data. Mozilla may be less honest than Google and Microsoft (a premise I also disagree with), but they are demonstrably harvesting much less data.
    - st3fan 3y ago
      "siphoning data" is a pretty bold claim. you can't just type those words without being very specific.
      - JonChesterfield 3y ago
        For Google and Microsoft? That's literally their business model.
    - reciprocity 3y ago
      This is ridiculous. Firefox doesn't beat around the bush with telemetry and makes this clear when you install a new copy of it to your machine. It also does not require "messing around in about:config", this option is presented to the user in Settings, in plainly stated language and in a central location (unlike other browsers, particularly Edge, and Chrome, with privacy related settings in 40 different drop down menus).
- charcircuit 3y ago
  The amount of "phoning home" is not correlated to how bad an app is for the user's privacy.
WhatsName 3y ago
That is probably the bigger story right here. Not trusting scammy businesses is easy. Getting fooled by big name like Mozilla a different story.
- actualwitch 3y ago
  They should have definitely done a more thorough due diligence before partnering with them.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  Mozilla has never been trustworthy. The Mozilla Foundation is probably what most people are confusing it for, the nonprofit that actually cares, but Mozilla the corporation just wants money.
  - mozempthrowaway 3y ago
    You’re partly right. MoCo only cares about money. MoFo though is/was Mitchell’s political slush fund. TBD how things will shake out once there is a permanent CEO but Mitchell is remaining chair of the foundation. She’s also got really deep ties to how MoCo is funded (google) so it’s likely the new CEO will be her puppet.
apimade 3y ago
In my opinion, this is a failure of due diligence on behalf of the Mozilla Corporation. I'm sure their legal team is jumping into incident response mode right now. I think this is one of the problems of organisations not doing anything themselves, and offloading responsibility and liability to both external partners. If you trusted Mozilla Monitor with your personal data, their legal contact information is listed on their terms page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription-services/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription... The same terms page you agreed to which both limited their liability to $500, and granted them indemnification from liability.

Dalewyn 3y ago

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lagrange77 3y ago
God damn honest is maybe slightly exaggerated.
actualwitch 3y ago
> Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla Having used an app firewall, I have determined this to be false.
LegibleCrimson 3y ago
I don't understand the logic. They're more private for admitting that they don't respect your privacy?
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Microsoft and Google don't even try to hide the fact they will siphon your data, whether you like it or not. You can turn off some of the egregious siphoning, but that's about it. Mozilla meanwhile claims to be the champion of digital privacy, marketing Firefox as the private browser of choice along with a host of ostensibly privacy products such as VPN, all the while also siphoning data. Turning it all off requires digging deep into about:config. One group is honest (or at least relatively more so) about what they do. The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes. As such, I daresay Microsoft and Google are more private than Mozilla because you know what you sign up for.
  - rrix2 3y ago
    > The other entity is a pathological liar led by a queen on Google's leash for controlled opposition purposes Oh come on, Baker was around since the Netscape days. You just don't like her cause she was a Suit, and that's fine. But except for a bunch of engineers Netscape had a bunch of Suits. It's not some conspiracy that a Suit is still running things.
  - LegibleCrimson 3y ago
    I don't think that's what the word "private" means. It's not the same thing as "honest". Compare the data. Mozilla may be less honest than Google and Microsoft (a premise I also disagree with), but they are demonstrably harvesting much less data.
  - st3fan 3y ago
    "siphoning data" is a pretty bold claim. you can't just type those words without being very specific.
    - JonChesterfield 3y ago
      For Google and Microsoft? That's literally their business model.
  - reciprocity 3y ago
    This is ridiculous. Firefox doesn't beat around the bush with telemetry and makes this clear when you install a new copy of it to your machine. It also does not require "messing around in about:config", this option is presented to the user in Settings, in plainly stated language and in a central location (unlike other browsers, particularly Edge, and Chrome, with privacy related settings in 40 different drop down menus).
charcircuit 3y ago
The amount of "phoning home" is not correlated to how bad an app is for the user's privacy.

WhatsName 3y ago

That is probably the bigger story right here. Not trusting scammy businesses is easy. Getting fooled by big name like Mozilla a different story.

actualwitch 3y ago
They should have definitely done a more thorough due diligence before partnering with them.
LoganDark 3y ago
Mozilla has never been trustworthy. The Mozilla Foundation is probably what most people are confusing it for, the nonprofit that actually cares, but Mozilla the corporation just wants money.
- mozempthrowaway 3y ago
  You’re partly right. MoCo only cares about money. MoFo though is/was Mitchell’s political slush fund. TBD how things will shake out once there is a permanent CEO but Mitchell is remaining chair of the foundation. She’s also got really deep ties to how MoCo is funded (google) so it’s likely the new CEO will be her puppet.

apimade 3y ago

In my opinion, this is a failure of due diligence on behalf of the Mozilla Corporation. I'm sure their legal team is jumping into incident response mode right now. I think this is one of the problems of organisations not doing anything themselves, and offloading responsibility and liability to both external partners. If you trusted Mozilla Monitor with your personal data, their legal contact information is listed on their terms page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription-services/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/subscription... The same terms page you agreed to which both limited their liability to $500, and granted them indemnification from liability.