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Politics/nationalism is always a great cover to erode rights of the population. If you object, you are on the "other team" and will be shunned. No one in Texas

by paxys 3y ago

Politics/nationalism is always a great cover to erode rights of the population. If you object, you are on the "other team" and will be shunned. No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws and everything else going on down there, but they will still enthusiastically vote for it to show party allegiance.

scoofy 3y ago
>No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws I grew up extremely religious in Texas... I can assure you that there are plenty of people who want these things. The good news is things are changing. Some members of my family who effectively spent their entire lives trying to overturn Roe, are now totally overwhelmed and distraught by the after effects, and what an awful person Donald Trump is. Truly a dog-that-caught-the-car situation.
- Izkata 3y ago
  The abortion ban in particular has me confused: A huge amount of people believe abortion means killing a baby and absolutely are for banning it entirely. 13 states (Texas included) had trigger laws already on the books to ban abortion if Roe v. Wade was ever overturned, and are now in effect. This was a big thing all over the place when it happened.
swatcoder 3y ago
> No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws and everything else going on down there You sound ripe for some travel! It's not a bad place to visit! You may want to believe what you wrote because it helps those of us with contrary preferences to pretend that we're just better aligned to some rational truth or something, but no: there are many people in Texas and elsewhere who sincerely believe that each of those things is good and something that they want for their community. The number or loudness of those people change when stirred up by politicians, and sometimes ideas that weren't widely considered previously are wholly seeded as part of a political strategy, but that doesn't really change that most people are fully sincere in their beliefs and that their beliefs can sometimes be radically different than your own.
- paxys 3y ago
  "No one" was a figure of speech. Yes there are always some people who want all of these things, but there have been countless polls done in all these states on topics like abortion and there is always a clear majority that is in favor of more sensible laws. One example is for exceptions for rape, incest and mother's health etc., which upwards of 85%+ of Republicans support. Yet the laws they enact don't reflect this, because these same people will not vote for moderates.
  - lamontcg 3y ago
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    - godelski 3y ago
      Literal, exact, precise interpretations are for machines, not for men. And even with such precision we still often fail to communicate with machines. Qualifying words are an oft overlooked tool in language. Especially when someone is presenting an idea you disagree with. Humans often use analogies, exaggerations, representations, examples, and other linguistic tools to attempt to convey their points. But speech is far form simple. If you interpret words as they are, you will always fail to communicate. Words are an attempt at conveying the thoughts in one's head. Never trust the person that is bold enough to claim that they are impossible to misinterpret, because they are an immutable force and the main character in their own reality.
      - lamontcg 3y ago
        The OP didn't use any qualifying words, I would be happy to take the other side of this argument if they did. You're also lecturing me about a stance that I normally take and agree with. Apply your own logic to me, steelman my position, and figure out what position I'm actually taking.
        godelski 3y ago
        >>>>>> No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws and everything else going on down there, but they will still enthusiastically vote for it to show party allegiance. That is the quote. It would be absolutely unreasonable to believe that 100% of Texans (or literally any demographic) is united on any issue. You are correct that the OP did not use a qualifier, but that is not the only form of miscommunication I mentioned (this one is called "hyperbole", a form of exaggeration, which was explicitly mentioned). So if you're going to complain to me about "lecturing" you (I'm not), you should probably demonstrate a reasonable interpretation. You got downvoted because a lot of people are quite used to this extremely common pattern of speech. It is okay if you are not, but learn from it and move on instead of doubling down.
seoulmetro 3y ago
Texas sounds more and more like a great place to live in the US. Shame about the guns though.
- apatheticonion 3y ago
  Are guns a country-wide problem? I was offered a job in San Francisco but am scared of moving to the US because of stats like there being like 1.5 mass shootings per day.
  - swatcoder 3y ago
    Because they're a widely available part of the culture and are effective at enacting mass violence by those who want to, they've been used in what seems to be an endless stream of tragedies. But these tragedies are not something any given person in the US is likely to ever encounter first-hand. It's a real big country and your frequency measure is more "geez, don't you thinn we should do something?!" more than "whelp, let's hope I don't get shot today" As far as geographic difference and the prior commenter's statement, the biggest relevant difference for you would be that you will probably never see someone bearing a gun in San Fransisco and will almost certainly see many people doing over the course of any stay in Texas. That's an internal cultural thing, and involves a combination of regional regulations and regional aesthetics. Both states are safe, though. Frankly -- if this is an otherwise exciting opportunity for you, you really shouldn't let the gun thing get in your way.
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  - paulddraper 3y ago
    Wait until you hear about how many car crashes there are a day.
    - apatheticonion 3y ago
      Yeah haha, a lack of public transportation and cycling infrastructure were my next concerns
anon-sre-srm 3y ago
1st a. will be the least of our concerns when Ruth Bader Biden loses to orangeman who will change the flag, make a new loyalty test salute, and require documentation checkpoints every few miles.

by paxys 3y ago

scoofy 3y ago

>No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws I grew up extremely religious in Texas... I can assure you that there are plenty of people who want these things. The good news is things are changing. Some members of my family who effectively spent their entire lives trying to overturn Roe, are now totally overwhelmed and distraught by the after effects, and what an awful person Donald Trump is. Truly a dog-that-caught-the-car situation.

Izkata 3y ago
The abortion ban in particular has me confused: A huge amount of people believe abortion means killing a baby and absolutely are for banning it entirely. 13 states (Texas included) had trigger laws already on the books to ban abortion if Roe v. Wade was ever overturned, and are now in effect. This was a big thing all over the place when it happened.

swatcoder 3y ago

> No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws and everything else going on down there You sound ripe for some travel! It's not a bad place to visit! You may want to believe what you wrote because it helps those of us with contrary preferences to pretend that we're just better aligned to some rational truth or something, but no: there are many people in Texas and elsewhere who sincerely believe that each of those things is good and something that they want for their community. The number or loudness of those people change when stirred up by politicians, and sometimes ideas that weren't widely considered previously are wholly seeded as part of a political strategy, but that doesn't really change that most people are fully sincere in their beliefs and that their beliefs can sometimes be radically different than your own.

paxys 3y ago
"No one" was a figure of speech. Yes there are always some people who want all of these things, but there have been countless polls done in all these states on topics like abortion and there is always a clear majority that is in favor of more sensible laws. One example is for exceptions for rape, incest and mother's health etc., which upwards of 85%+ of Republicans support. Yet the laws they enact don't reflect this, because these same people will not vote for moderates.
- lamontcg 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - godelski 3y ago
    Literal, exact, precise interpretations are for machines, not for men. And even with such precision we still often fail to communicate with machines. Qualifying words are an oft overlooked tool in language. Especially when someone is presenting an idea you disagree with. Humans often use analogies, exaggerations, representations, examples, and other linguistic tools to attempt to convey their points. But speech is far form simple. If you interpret words as they are, you will always fail to communicate. Words are an attempt at conveying the thoughts in one's head. Never trust the person that is bold enough to claim that they are impossible to misinterpret, because they are an immutable force and the main character in their own reality.
    - lamontcg 3y ago
      The OP didn't use any qualifying words, I would be happy to take the other side of this argument if they did. You're also lecturing me about a stance that I normally take and agree with. Apply your own logic to me, steelman my position, and figure out what position I'm actually taking.
      - godelski 3y ago
        >>>>>> No one in Texas wants porn bans, abortion bans, IVF bans, restrictive marijuana laws and everything else going on down there, but they will still enthusiastically vote for it to show party allegiance. That is the quote. It would be absolutely unreasonable to believe that 100% of Texans (or literally any demographic) is united on any issue. You are correct that the OP did not use a qualifier, but that is not the only form of miscommunication I mentioned (this one is called "hyperbole", a form of exaggeration, which was explicitly mentioned). So if you're going to complain to me about "lecturing" you (I'm not), you should probably demonstrate a reasonable interpretation. You got downvoted because a lot of people are quite used to this extremely common pattern of speech. It is okay if you are not, but learn from it and move on instead of doubling down.

seoulmetro 3y ago

Texas sounds more and more like a great place to live in the US. Shame about the guns though.

apatheticonion 3y ago
Are guns a country-wide problem? I was offered a job in San Francisco but am scared of moving to the US because of stats like there being like 1.5 mass shootings per day.
- swatcoder 3y ago
  Because they're a widely available part of the culture and are effective at enacting mass violence by those who want to, they've been used in what seems to be an endless stream of tragedies. But these tragedies are not something any given person in the US is likely to ever encounter first-hand. It's a real big country and your frequency measure is more "geez, don't you thinn we should do something?!" more than "whelp, let's hope I don't get shot today" As far as geographic difference and the prior commenter's statement, the biggest relevant difference for you would be that you will probably never see someone bearing a gun in San Fransisco and will almost certainly see many people doing over the course of any stay in Texas. That's an internal cultural thing, and involves a combination of regional regulations and regional aesthetics. Both states are safe, though. Frankly -- if this is an otherwise exciting opportunity for you, you really shouldn't let the gun thing get in your way.
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- paulddraper 3y ago
  Wait until you hear about how many car crashes there are a day.
  - apatheticonion 3y ago
    Yeah haha, a lack of public transportation and cycling infrastructure were my next concerns

anon-sre-srm 3y ago

1st a. will be the least of our concerns when Ruth Bader Biden loses to orangeman who will change the flag, make a new loyalty test salute, and require documentation checkpoints every few miles.