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I'm (drastically) oversimplifying, but there's a whole strategy here to starve the government and then point at it showing how ineffective it is.

ein0p 3y ago
I’m not an economist but what else do you propose we do with the government that’s thoroughly corrupt, and that’s charging $1T every 100 days on our collective credit card, to immediately piss it away on the most inane BS imaginable? What makes you believe that putting it in charge of $4.7T “healthcare system” we have in this country is going to improve, rather than worsen the matters?
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  'thoroughly corrupt" That is a slogan, to justify doing more bad things. The ends justify the means, and making up a reason. "Of course the government is corrupt, hence I'm justified in also being corrupt." If there is actual corruption and proof, it should be brought forward. Strangely enough, this is done, and Republican/Right have a much higher percentage of being the corrupt party. Even though this is their rally cry.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    If you don't see it, you not going to, so I'm not going to try to change your mind. Keep going as you are then, but keep in mind that it's not the ultra rich nor the poor who will be paying down those trillions. It'll be _you_. Each man, woman and child in the US already owes $100K. Bear that in mind when contemplating whether the government is corrupt, and whether you should let it borrow even more for no apparent benefit. Because frankly, I don't see the benefit, and I ain't going to pay all that. I'm going to retire elsewhere.
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      I see. You are equating national debt to corruption? That is a financial discussion. Supply/Demand, markets, investment, accounting. You'd be surprised how much 'free' markets need support to function. I thought you were talking about actual corruption, like giving your cousin the local contract to build a bridge and getting a kick back. It is hard to discuss these things when one side is just chanting a simple slogan. Democrats do try to invest in society more, and sometimes that takes on more debt to do that, but that isn't the definition of the word 'corruption'. Republicans do tend to give loans to 'friends' and get kickbacks. That is real 'corruption' and is documented in criminal cases.
      - ein0p 3y ago
        Where does the money go? Why are we spending trillions on countless and unnecessary wars? Why does it cost $100B to build high speed rail between SF and LA? Why does it cost $1M to outfit a simple intersection with 4 traffic lights? Why are we spending $4.5T a year on non-functional “healthcare”? Why is it that our politicians get cushy “do nothing” sinecures after they leave “public service”? Etc, etc, etc. Until you start asking these questions yourself you won’t see the world for what it really is.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        >"see the world for what it really is" Well, what is it? Do Enlighten. This seems like just angry ranting. Half of your complaints are just free-market. Republican's love free-markets until prices go up, boo-hoo. Republican's and Defense industry love wars. High Speed rail, without looking, I'd say geography and real-estate prices. 1M for traffic lights? Maybe high, is 500K ok? It might be high, but it isn't 100X high. CEO's get golden parachutes way bigger than the lowly civil servant driving a used car making 50K.
        ein0p 3y ago
        Learn what “Uniparty” is, and then maybe the clouds will part and you will see that both “parties” are really just one lobbyist controlled party which is really efficient at robbing you and depriving your children and grandchildren of a decent future. You’ll continue to be very confused until you see that by and large what we have in this country is an illusion of democracy and no matter who you vote for, the wars continue. Obama was bombing something like 7 countries at the time when he received his Nobel. The only president to not start any new wars in the last several decades won his election accidentally because the Uniparty got too cocky.
joquarky 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

ein0p 3y ago

I’m not an economist but what else do you propose we do with the government that’s thoroughly corrupt, and that’s charging $1T every 100 days on our collective credit card, to immediately piss it away on the most inane BS imaginable? What makes you believe that putting it in charge of $4.7T “healthcare system” we have in this country is going to improve, rather than worsen the matters?

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
'thoroughly corrupt" That is a slogan, to justify doing more bad things. The ends justify the means, and making up a reason. "Of course the government is corrupt, hence I'm justified in also being corrupt." If there is actual corruption and proof, it should be brought forward. Strangely enough, this is done, and Republican/Right have a much higher percentage of being the corrupt party. Even though this is their rally cry.
- ein0p 3y ago
  If you don't see it, you not going to, so I'm not going to try to change your mind. Keep going as you are then, but keep in mind that it's not the ultra rich nor the poor who will be paying down those trillions. It'll be _you_. Each man, woman and child in the US already owes $100K. Bear that in mind when contemplating whether the government is corrupt, and whether you should let it borrow even more for no apparent benefit. Because frankly, I don't see the benefit, and I ain't going to pay all that. I'm going to retire elsewhere.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    I see. You are equating national debt to corruption? That is a financial discussion. Supply/Demand, markets, investment, accounting. You'd be surprised how much 'free' markets need support to function. I thought you were talking about actual corruption, like giving your cousin the local contract to build a bridge and getting a kick back. It is hard to discuss these things when one side is just chanting a simple slogan. Democrats do try to invest in society more, and sometimes that takes on more debt to do that, but that isn't the definition of the word 'corruption'. Republicans do tend to give loans to 'friends' and get kickbacks. That is real 'corruption' and is documented in criminal cases.
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Where does the money go? Why are we spending trillions on countless and unnecessary wars? Why does it cost $100B to build high speed rail between SF and LA? Why does it cost $1M to outfit a simple intersection with 4 traffic lights? Why are we spending $4.5T a year on non-functional “healthcare”? Why is it that our politicians get cushy “do nothing” sinecures after they leave “public service”? Etc, etc, etc. Until you start asking these questions yourself you won’t see the world for what it really is.
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        >"see the world for what it really is" Well, what is it? Do Enlighten. This seems like just angry ranting. Half of your complaints are just free-market. Republican's love free-markets until prices go up, boo-hoo. Republican's and Defense industry love wars. High Speed rail, without looking, I'd say geography and real-estate prices. 1M for traffic lights? Maybe high, is 500K ok? It might be high, but it isn't 100X high. CEO's get golden parachutes way bigger than the lowly civil servant driving a used car making 50K.
        ein0p 3y ago
        Learn what “Uniparty” is, and then maybe the clouds will part and you will see that both “parties” are really just one lobbyist controlled party which is really efficient at robbing you and depriving your children and grandchildren of a decent future. You’ll continue to be very confused until you see that by and large what we have in this country is an illusion of democracy and no matter who you vote for, the wars continue. Obama was bombing something like 7 countries at the time when he received his Nobel. The only president to not start any new wars in the last several decades won his election accidentally because the Uniparty got too cocky.

joquarky 3y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast