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I wish car manufacturers would start making tiny (maybe RFID) remotes I could stick in my (minimalist) wallet. Alternatively, looking forward to a tiny Flipper-

I wish car manufacturers would start making tiny (maybe RFID) remotes I could stick in my (minimalist) wallet. Alternatively, looking forward to a tiny Flipper-like (credit-card sized) that can achieve the same result. Seriously, the car fob is the largest thing in my pocket after the phone (thickness-wise at least).

0x457 3y ago
I think what you wish is your phone to be your car key.
- imp0cat 3y ago
  And you can already have that!
  - 0x457 3y ago
    Yes. However, I'm only aware of a Tesla that actually turns your phone/watch into an actual proximity key fob. Not to be confused with what others do: - open an app - login again because devs can't figure out persistence between updates - wait for thing to connect and load slow af UI - click on unlock button in the app - wait - wait - wait - wait - give up - do not renew service after 1 year trial expired because it never worked
    - sebk 3y ago
      There's a standard for this using NFC and UWB, Digital Car Key; BMW has support for either 2.0 (NFC) or 3.0 (UWB) across their entire range. The Hyundai Motor Company group (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) is starting to add support as well. See [1] for exact models (look for the little key icon). Several other makes are members of the Car Connectivity Consortium that standardized this protocol so it's reasonable to expect wider compatibility in the near future. The protocol incorporates significant countermeasures against relay and replay attacks like some that are mentioned in other comments here. [1]https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/ https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/
      - 0x457 3y ago
        Glad to see it's getting adoption.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      On my Ford I just walk up to it and it's unlocked and I can start it without taking my phone out of my pocket. I pretty much never carry an actual key on me.
    - pests 3y ago
      Tesla also has the key card, which you could just put in your wallet.
- Grimblewald 3y ago
  the show it's always sunny in philadelphia has a good episode covering this idea, the episode is 'dennis takes a mental health day'
fileoffset 3y ago
New BYD EVs come with a credit card sized NFC key which can be used to unlock and start the car...

0x457 3y ago

I think what you wish is your phone to be your car key.

imp0cat 3y ago
And you can already have that!
- 0x457 3y ago
  Yes. However, I'm only aware of a Tesla that actually turns your phone/watch into an actual proximity key fob. Not to be confused with what others do: - open an app - login again because devs can't figure out persistence between updates - wait for thing to connect and load slow af UI - click on unlock button in the app - wait - wait - wait - wait - give up - do not renew service after 1 year trial expired because it never worked
  - sebk 3y ago
    There's a standard for this using NFC and UWB, Digital Car Key; BMW has support for either 2.0 (NFC) or 3.0 (UWB) across their entire range. The Hyundai Motor Company group (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) is starting to add support as well. See [1] for exact models (look for the little key icon). Several other makes are members of the Car Connectivity Consortium that standardized this protocol so it's reasonable to expect wider compatibility in the near future. The protocol incorporates significant countermeasures against relay and replay attacks like some that are mentioned in other comments here. [1]https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/ https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/
    - 0x457 3y ago
      Glad to see it's getting adoption.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    On my Ford I just walk up to it and it's unlocked and I can start it without taking my phone out of my pocket. I pretty much never carry an actual key on me.
  - pests 3y ago
    Tesla also has the key card, which you could just put in your wallet.
Grimblewald 3y ago
the show it's always sunny in philadelphia has a good episode covering this idea, the episode is 'dennis takes a mental health day'

fileoffset 3y ago

New BYD EVs come with a credit card sized NFC key which can be used to unlock and start the car...