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It's not about spreading negativity, it's about spread awareness. People have been getting tricked about right to repair for many years now. They need to realiz

It's not about spreading negativity, it's about spread awareness. People have been getting tricked about right to repair for many years now. They need to realize what's actually happening.

mulmen 3y ago
What does saying “this will never happen” spread awareness of other than the futility of even trying?
- dataflow 3y ago
  I never said "this will never happen". I said "I don't see this happening". There's a rather crucial difference between these two. The former is a prediction about the future; the latter is an observation of the current trajectory. Example: Imagine you've dropped out of college, and your mom says that she doesn't see you getting a well-paying job. That doesn't mean she believes you're a lost cause, it just means she believes (whether rightly or wrongly; that's beside the point here) that you need to change course. i.e. she believes you need to stop believing you're on the right path, and that you instead need to finish your studies. To bring the analogy back to R2R: almost much every R2R bill in the US that I've seen so far has been severely crippled by special interests (sometimes at the 11th hour), while conceding just enough (e.g., letting consumers replace a battery just a little less painfully) to make people feel like they're winning a war that they're actually losing pretty hard. So the point here was to make people aware that (I [and others] believe that) the current trajectory isn't very promising as far as reaching their goals, and needs to change.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    > I never said "this will never happen". I said "I don't see this happening". Give me a break. There’s no difference there. > So the point here was to make people aware that (I [and others] believe that) the current trajectory isn't very promising as far as reaching their goals, and needs to change. Then say that instead. Your original comment didn’t even resemble this point. It was drive-by negativity. The only engagement you got was me saying your comment isn’t constructive. Because it isn’t. Nobody else was interested in making up an interesting point to respond to.
    - dataflow 3y ago
      > Give me a break. There’s no difference there. I literally explained the difference. But yes, please do take a break. That's much better and healthier for everybody than engaging in an online battle with multiple people.

It's not about spreading negativity, it's about spread awareness. People have been getting tricked about right to repair for many years now. They need to realize what's actually happening.

mulmen 3y ago

What does saying “this will never happen” spread awareness of other than the futility of even trying?

dataflow 3y ago
I never said "this will never happen". I said "I don't see this happening". There's a rather crucial difference between these two. The former is a prediction about the future; the latter is an observation of the current trajectory. Example: Imagine you've dropped out of college, and your mom says that she doesn't see you getting a well-paying job. That doesn't mean she believes you're a lost cause, it just means she believes (whether rightly or wrongly; that's beside the point here) that you need to change course. i.e. she believes you need to stop believing you're on the right path, and that you instead need to finish your studies. To bring the analogy back to R2R: almost much every R2R bill in the US that I've seen so far has been severely crippled by special interests (sometimes at the 11th hour), while conceding just enough (e.g., letting consumers replace a battery just a little less painfully) to make people feel like they're winning a war that they're actually losing pretty hard. So the point here was to make people aware that (I [and others] believe that) the current trajectory isn't very promising as far as reaching their goals, and needs to change.
- mulmen 3y ago
  > I never said "this will never happen". I said "I don't see this happening". Give me a break. There’s no difference there. > So the point here was to make people aware that (I [and others] believe that) the current trajectory isn't very promising as far as reaching their goals, and needs to change. Then say that instead. Your original comment didn’t even resemble this point. It was drive-by negativity. The only engagement you got was me saying your comment isn’t constructive. Because it isn’t. Nobody else was interested in making up an interesting point to respond to.
  - dataflow 3y ago
    > Give me a break. There’s no difference there. I literally explained the difference. But yes, please do take a break. That's much better and healthier for everybody than engaging in an online battle with multiple people.