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The TikTok ban is all about preserving US power

16 points by wslh 3y ago

nullindividual 3y ago
The author's central argument[0] falls apart with today's released XO[1]. [0]> When US lawmakers discuss their plans for a TikTok ban, they often talk about it as a national security threat — that it will allow China, through ByteDance, to get access to US data and information — but as I’ve already outlined, that’s not a strong argument. [1]https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/28/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-sweeping-executive-order-to-protect-americans-sensitive-personal-data/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... > The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security to work together to set high security standards to prevent access by countries of concern to Americans’ data through other commercial means, such as data available via investment, vendor, and employment relationships.
- caekislove 3y ago
  >genomic data, biometric data, personal health data, Too bad that cat is well and truly already out of the bag. Still, better late than never!
_Parfait_ 3y ago
Shouldn't a country try to preserve their power?
- fabianhjr 3y ago
  One that promotes laissez faire capitalism and proclaims to the world the moral virtue of pure market competition? Though, most of the world has quite the different experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI
  - caekislove 3y ago
    Our opening up of trade to China was contingent on eventual political reforms to the CCP's form of government. This has not happened. We've tried using the carrot on China for over 50 years. It's time to take out the stick.
    - fabianhjr 3y ago
      Repugnant imperialista thought; political reforms on a foreign government? Take out the stick like in Latin America and the Middle East? Laughable from the country that proclaims itself "leader of the free world"
- falcolas 3y ago
  At the expense of its own citizens? Not in my opinion.
  - _Parfait_ 3y ago
    The citizens won't have a chinese tiktok? Plenty of alternatives.
- spense 3y ago
  "A republic, if you can keep it" -bf america gets many things wrong, but to think it deserves to collapse or that it shouldn't take steps to protect itself is ignoring history. tiktok is controlled by a country we're entering/entered a new cold war with. china is not your friend.
polotics 3y ago
Well no. As I understand it TikTok has been the top platform for brash divisiveness tactics. It is hosting a lot of bots actively trying to split the body politics with inflamatory astroturfing messages split between the "burn all the wokes" and "ban father's day" types. A reaction is in order, the CCP would never allow any of that to happen in their empire.
- bunbun69 3y ago
  > top platform for brash divisiveness tactics. source? > It is hosting a lot of bots actively source? > split the body politics with inflamatory astroturfing messages Thankfully American social media websites don't do this.
  - polotics 3y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-nsa-director-concerned-by-tiktok-data-collection-use-influence-operations-2023-03-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-nsa-director-concerned-b...
- fabianhjr 3y ago
  Aren't you thinking about Twitter/X and Facebook/Meta?
asynchronous 3y ago
Anyone have any research on where ByteDance actually hosts their servers geographically? I’m sure they make use of CDNs at some point.
- falcolas 3y ago
  Texas. At least for US users. As part of the last TikTok ban attempt, ByteDance spent a billion and change moving all US user data to Oracle owned and managed servers.
CommanderData 3y ago
ADLs CEO named TikTok in Israels misinformation war online, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbMtVKq18I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbMtVKq18I I agree I see it as very much about the US preserving power and control. We've seen Instagram and Facebook changing their algorithms and banning pro-Palestinian videos, or limiting reach. [1] TikTok is thorn which needs resolving ASAP. The sudden interest in 'fixing' TikTok and the Israel-Palestine war shouldn't be overlooked. Especially when we have high ranking officials loosing sleep about this issue and publicly expressing their discontent in interviews. [1] Meta's Systemic Palestine Censorship https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...

16 points by wslh 3y ago

The author's central argument[0] falls apart with today's released XO[1]. [0]> When US lawmakers discuss their plans for a TikTok ban, they often talk about it as a national security threat — that it will allow China, through ByteDance, to get access to US data and information — but as I’ve already outlined, that’s not a strong argument. [1]https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/28/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-sweeping-executive-order-to-protect-americans-sensitive-personal-data/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... > The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security to work together to set high security standards to prevent access by countries of concern to Americans’ data through other commercial means, such as data available via investment, vendor, and employment relationships.

caekislove 3y ago
>genomic data, biometric data, personal health data, Too bad that cat is well and truly already out of the bag. Still, better late than never!

_Parfait_ 3y ago

Shouldn't a country try to preserve their power?

fabianhjr 3y ago
One that promotes laissez faire capitalism and proclaims to the world the moral virtue of pure market competition? Though, most of the world has quite the different experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI
- caekislove 3y ago
  Our opening up of trade to China was contingent on eventual political reforms to the CCP's form of government. This has not happened. We've tried using the carrot on China for over 50 years. It's time to take out the stick.
  - fabianhjr 3y ago
    Repugnant imperialista thought; political reforms on a foreign government? Take out the stick like in Latin America and the Middle East? Laughable from the country that proclaims itself "leader of the free world"
falcolas 3y ago
At the expense of its own citizens? Not in my opinion.
- _Parfait_ 3y ago
  The citizens won't have a chinese tiktok? Plenty of alternatives.
spense 3y ago
"A republic, if you can keep it" -bf america gets many things wrong, but to think it deserves to collapse or that it shouldn't take steps to protect itself is ignoring history. tiktok is controlled by a country we're entering/entered a new cold war with. china is not your friend.

polotics 3y ago

Well no. As I understand it TikTok has been the top platform for brash divisiveness tactics. It is hosting a lot of bots actively trying to split the body politics with inflamatory astroturfing messages split between the "burn all the wokes" and "ban father's day" types. A reaction is in order, the CCP would never allow any of that to happen in their empire.

bunbun69 3y ago
> top platform for brash divisiveness tactics. source? > It is hosting a lot of bots actively source? > split the body politics with inflamatory astroturfing messages Thankfully American social media websites don't do this.
- polotics 3y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-nsa-director-concerned-by-tiktok-data-collection-use-influence-operations-2023-03-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-nsa-director-concerned-b...
fabianhjr 3y ago
Aren't you thinking about Twitter/X and Facebook/Meta?

asynchronous 3y ago

Anyone have any research on where ByteDance actually hosts their servers geographically? I’m sure they make use of CDNs at some point.

falcolas 3y ago
Texas. At least for US users. As part of the last TikTok ban attempt, ByteDance spent a billion and change moving all US user data to Oracle owned and managed servers.

CommanderData 3y ago

ADLs CEO named TikTok in Israels misinformation war online, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbMtVKq18I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbMtVKq18I I agree I see it as very much about the US preserving power and control. We've seen Instagram and Facebook changing their algorithms and banning pro-Palestinian videos, or limiting reach. [1] TikTok is thorn which needs resolving ASAP. The sudden interest in 'fixing' TikTok and the Israel-Palestine war shouldn't be overlooked. Especially when we have high ranking officials loosing sleep about this issue and publicly expressing their discontent in interviews. [1] Meta's Systemic Palestine Censorship https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...