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What you call bodily autonomy cant be easily defined like that. What you dont tolerate is not up to you to decide if they can be silenced. And look Im not tell

What you call bodily autonomy cant be easily defined like that. What you dont tolerate is not up to you to decide if they can be silenced. And look Im not telling I dont agree with you in many of this topics. ISt just that is easy to not listen and thing you are an iluminated person because you think the way you think.

bloopernova 3y ago
I know 2 women whose lives were ruined because they were raped during their teenage years by men 7+ years older who got them drunk. They were forced to not get an abortion, and instead had to raise the child as a single parent. These women were greatly impacted mentally and emotionally, deeply resented their children, and had to give up their dreams. These women weren't "sluts who deserved it", they were both 15 year old children and were isolated and groomed by a 22 year old and 28 year old man respectively. Neither man paid childcare expenses. Both women were rejected by society, one abandoned by their parents and family, the other kept at a distance because of religious shame. Both children were very troubled and unhappy throughout their childhood. One did OK in adulthood, but suffers from CPTSD. The other spiraled down into resentment and self-hatred, finally ending their life through heroin. One woman was fantastic at math, she found things like calculus fun, and wanted to write software, but was very poor and unable to pursue any education. The other wanted to be a dancer and model, but was plagued by illnesses and died before age 50. What about those womens' lives? Should I be able to force you to have organs implanted against your will, and then harvest those organs from you later, at great physical danger and harm to you?
- major505 3y ago
  Yet, you could easily say you are ok with abortion in cases of rape or in cases of life threats to the the morther, with I do agree, are exceptions that everyone should make. But still try to voice as bodily autonomy... whith lets be honest here, is easy to dismiss for someone who considers a fetus is a humna that needs to be protected. You just making the argument to yourself .
komali2 3y ago
Bodily autonomy is very easily defined. Even if we accept that a fetus is a human life, not allowing a woman the right to control her body health by denying her the right to terminate pregnancy is removing bodily autonomy we grant men. This is obvious: we don't allow the state to pass laws that require men to donate kidneys when the donation would provably save another life. We seem to believe bodily autonomy is a human right which can't be trespassed by the state. The next step in the USA is of course to enshrine bodily autonomy specifically in the constitution. Until then however you can't argue for only women to not be allowed bodily autonomy without basically arguing that they're subhuman and deserve less human rights than men. The only way around this is to believe the state should indeed be allowed to compel people to donate their organs. Right now we don't even tolerate corpses being compelled to donate organs. This alone could save many lives.

bloopernova 3y ago

I know 2 women whose lives were ruined because they were raped during their teenage years by men 7+ years older who got them drunk. They were forced to not get an abortion, and instead had to raise the child as a single parent. These women were greatly impacted mentally and emotionally, deeply resented their children, and had to give up their dreams. These women weren't "sluts who deserved it", they were both 15 year old children and were isolated and groomed by a 22 year old and 28 year old man respectively. Neither man paid childcare expenses. Both women were rejected by society, one abandoned by their parents and family, the other kept at a distance because of religious shame. Both children were very troubled and unhappy throughout their childhood. One did OK in adulthood, but suffers from CPTSD. The other spiraled down into resentment and self-hatred, finally ending their life through heroin. One woman was fantastic at math, she found things like calculus fun, and wanted to write software, but was very poor and unable to pursue any education. The other wanted to be a dancer and model, but was plagued by illnesses and died before age 50. What about those womens' lives? Should I be able to force you to have organs implanted against your will, and then harvest those organs from you later, at great physical danger and harm to you?

major505 3y ago
Yet, you could easily say you are ok with abortion in cases of rape or in cases of life threats to the the morther, with I do agree, are exceptions that everyone should make. But still try to voice as bodily autonomy... whith lets be honest here, is easy to dismiss for someone who considers a fetus is a humna that needs to be protected. You just making the argument to yourself .

komali2 3y ago

Bodily autonomy is very easily defined. Even if we accept that a fetus is a human life, not allowing a woman the right to control her body health by denying her the right to terminate pregnancy is removing bodily autonomy we grant men. This is obvious: we don't allow the state to pass laws that require men to donate kidneys when the donation would provably save another life. We seem to believe bodily autonomy is a human right which can't be trespassed by the state. The next step in the USA is of course to enshrine bodily autonomy specifically in the constitution. Until then however you can't argue for only women to not be allowed bodily autonomy without basically arguing that they're subhuman and deserve less human rights than men. The only way around this is to believe the state should indeed be allowed to compel people to donate their organs. Right now we don't even tolerate corpses being compelled to donate organs. This alone could save many lives.