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"I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time.

"I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time." I really don't think I'm being unfair in saying that comment implies the deplatformed people are vile. Given the context of the article what other group could be the "people with ugly, hateful ideologies" if not the deplatformed speakers?

komali2 3y ago
I don't know too much about this woman so I scoped her Twitter feed https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 > Chinese conservative author Yu Jie @yujie89 offers a profile of anti-Trump Chinese “influencers”, both outside and inside China: > They are mostly left-wingers and supporters of BLM. > They are mostly atheists. > They are mostly favored guests/commentators of Chinese language MSM. > Among them is the famous dissident Ai Weiwei. Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Not to mention the religious rage baiting. Scrolling through her feed, she seems like your typical American right wing talk show political grifter. You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. As someone else put it, modern university students are less naive than that. They understand that people like this woman aren't here to say "can I tell you why I think communism is bad from my time under a communist regime," but instead are asking "can I come rage bait your campus by fear mongering about all leftist ideology, tying it into religious fear mongering and doing a bit of race baiting? I will likely also be fomenting whatever this week's culture war talking points are." And the students, rightly, are engaging this speaker in the way she deserves: protest. Preventing her from speaking isn't really the point, loudly demonstrating her viewpoints aren't welcome is.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  >Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? >You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. I think you don't understand how inherently axiomatic the logic of political positions are. Just for fun: I counted four cognitive fallacies in your post. Sweeping generalizations (conservatives ...), ad hominem attacks (by labeling the author as a "typical American right-wing talk show political grifter" without addressing the substance of her arguments), false dichotomies (by implying that engaging with her viewpoints through "rigorous logic and spirited debate" is ineffective and that protest is the only viable response) and confirmation bias (dismissing the possibility of engaging with the her arguments in good faith and assuming that the only reason for their presence is to engage in divisive tactics).
  - defrost 3y ago
    \1 komali2 asserting that Yu Jie @yujie89 has conflated leftist ideology with BLM is not equivilant to \2 komali2 conflating BLM with the Republican Party. > Point one cognitive fallacy Anyone claiming the above propositions to be equivilant has made a fallacy. Those implying that \2 because \1 are either making a fallacy or delibrately strawmaning.
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      "\1 komali2 asserting that Yu Jie @yujie89 has conflated leftist ideology with BLM is not equivilant to \2 komali2 conflating BLM with the Republican Party." I'm aware, I don't think komali2 thinks the Republican Party supports BLM. (?) "Anyone claiming..." Should be relevant when someone claims that I suppose.
  - komali2 3y ago
    > without addressing the substance of her arguments The point of grifters is to overwhelm with insubstantial arguments. Do your fun game to her Twitter feed. See how long you can keep it up. Better yet: see if you can put a dent in her or her follower's belief system by totally pwning her with rigorous logic. Double standard: you picked apart my post and didn't acknowledge a thing about the tweet I quoted. Do you disagree that it shares the traits of most right wing grifters engaging in culture war rage baiting? Someone else put it well: racism is illogical and dependent on cognitive fallacy to be maintained. Easily dismissed if you address the "substance" of a racist's arguments. So why then is there still racism? Are the racists right? No, obviously not, so must be something else. > Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? I don't understand what you mean by this. I mean it's very interesting to me that a conservative would imply BLM is a leftist movement, in a country where the right wing is conflated with a form of psuedo-anarchy in the form of American libertarians, whose most famous hero is a man who ironically stood up to a different BLM and led an armed standoff with the federal government.

komali2 3y ago

I don't know too much about this woman so I scoped her Twitter feed https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 > Chinese conservative author Yu Jie @yujie89 offers a profile of anti-Trump Chinese “influencers”, both outside and inside China: > They are mostly left-wingers and supporters of BLM. > They are mostly atheists. > They are mostly favored guests/commentators of Chinese language MSM. > Among them is the famous dissident Ai Weiwei. Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Not to mention the religious rage baiting. Scrolling through her feed, she seems like your typical American right wing talk show political grifter. You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. As someone else put it, modern university students are less naive than that. They understand that people like this woman aren't here to say "can I tell you why I think communism is bad from my time under a communist regime," but instead are asking "can I come rage bait your campus by fear mongering about all leftist ideology, tying it into religious fear mongering and doing a bit of race baiting? I will likely also be fomenting whatever this week's culture war talking points are." And the students, rightly, are engaging this speaker in the way she deserves: protest. Preventing her from speaking isn't really the point, loudly demonstrating her viewpoints aren't welcome is.

hotdogscout 3y ago
>Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? >You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. I think you don't understand how inherently axiomatic the logic of political positions are. Just for fun: I counted four cognitive fallacies in your post. Sweeping generalizations (conservatives ...), ad hominem attacks (by labeling the author as a "typical American right-wing talk show political grifter" without addressing the substance of her arguments), false dichotomies (by implying that engaging with her viewpoints through "rigorous logic and spirited debate" is ineffective and that protest is the only viable response) and confirmation bias (dismissing the possibility of engaging with the her arguments in good faith and assuming that the only reason for their presence is to engage in divisive tactics).
- defrost 3y ago
  \1 komali2 asserting that Yu Jie @yujie89 has conflated leftist ideology with BLM is not equivilant to \2 komali2 conflating BLM with the Republican Party. > Point one cognitive fallacy Anyone claiming the above propositions to be equivilant has made a fallacy. Those implying that \2 because \1 are either making a fallacy or delibrately strawmaning.
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    "\1 komali2 asserting that Yu Jie @yujie89 has conflated leftist ideology with BLM is not equivilant to \2 komali2 conflating BLM with the Republican Party." I'm aware, I don't think komali2 thinks the Republican Party supports BLM. (?) "Anyone claiming..." Should be relevant when someone claims that I suppose.
- komali2 3y ago
  > without addressing the substance of her arguments The point of grifters is to overwhelm with insubstantial arguments. Do your fun game to her Twitter feed. See how long you can keep it up. Better yet: see if you can put a dent in her or her follower's belief system by totally pwning her with rigorous logic. Double standard: you picked apart my post and didn't acknowledge a thing about the tweet I quoted. Do you disagree that it shares the traits of most right wing grifters engaging in culture war rage baiting? Someone else put it well: racism is illogical and dependent on cognitive fallacy to be maintained. Easily dismissed if you address the "substance" of a racist's arguments. So why then is there still racism? Are the racists right? No, obviously not, so must be something else. > Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? I don't understand what you mean by this. I mean it's very interesting to me that a conservative would imply BLM is a leftist movement, in a country where the right wing is conflated with a form of psuedo-anarchy in the form of American libertarians, whose most famous hero is a man who ironically stood up to a different BLM and led an armed standoff with the federal government.