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I find it wild how pervasive passive keyless entry is. Completely form over (security) function.

by orra 3y ago

SR2Z 3y ago
I wouldn't be so quick to say that - it's unquestionably more convenient than old-fashioned transponder keys in a few really important ways. You can't lock your keys in the car, you don't need more than one free hand to open a door (and sometimes not even that), and you don't need to deal with a massive bundle of keys jangling against your knees.
elif 3y ago
tumber locks are built on even more hopes and dreams than security. proper PSK cryptographic locks can (and are) implemented for cars already, just not all cars.
mmh0000 3y ago
Honestly... As an end user, I prefer convenience over security in my everyday life. I have insurance for the rare instance someone steals it. The same goes for my house. I could live in a concrete bunker with no windows and steel doors, but I would much rather live in a home with large windows and a door with a crummy deadbolt. The risk of someone stealing my car or breaking into my house is low. If that risk increases (and thus the area's overall quality decreases), I'll move to a different location.
hnick 3y ago
Ultimately, if it were a severe problem, wouldn't insurance premiums reflect this?
- oarsinsync 3y ago
  They do. Try to get a Range Rover insured in the UK. You’ll struggle.
  - hnick 3y ago
    Interesting, I searched and that seems accurate, it doesn't seem to be the case here in AU though from what I've seen.
    - oarsinsync 3y ago
      These keyless systems enable these cars to be broken into really easily. I’ve had friends see thieves operate in pairs, one by the front door, one by the car, and effectively use repeaters between the house and the car to unlock his Range Rover, and then drive away with it, in under a minute (as captured by his home security system). The question then becomes more of a value proposition / opportunity cost. If you can steal any keyless car trivially, why wouldn’t you target the vehicles that can net you the greatest return? Why steal a Prius when you can steal a Evoque?
bdavbdav 3y ago
Having had it on my last few cars, I wouldn’t go back.

I find it wild how pervasive passive keyless entry is. Completely form over (security) function.

by orra 3y ago

I find it wild how pervasive passive keyless entry is. Completely form over (security) function.

SR2Z 3y ago

I wouldn't be so quick to say that - it's unquestionably more convenient than old-fashioned transponder keys in a few really important ways. You can't lock your keys in the car, you don't need more than one free hand to open a door (and sometimes not even that), and you don't need to deal with a massive bundle of keys jangling against your knees.

elif 3y ago

tumber locks are built on even more hopes and dreams than security. proper PSK cryptographic locks can (and are) implemented for cars already, just not all cars.

mmh0000 3y ago

Honestly... As an end user, I prefer convenience over security in my everyday life. I have insurance for the rare instance someone steals it. The same goes for my house. I could live in a concrete bunker with no windows and steel doors, but I would much rather live in a home with large windows and a door with a crummy deadbolt. The risk of someone stealing my car or breaking into my house is low. If that risk increases (and thus the area's overall quality decreases), I'll move to a different location.

hnick 3y ago

Ultimately, if it were a severe problem, wouldn't insurance premiums reflect this?

oarsinsync 3y ago
They do. Try to get a Range Rover insured in the UK. You’ll struggle.
- hnick 3y ago
  Interesting, I searched and that seems accurate, it doesn't seem to be the case here in AU though from what I've seen.
  - oarsinsync 3y ago
    These keyless systems enable these cars to be broken into really easily. I’ve had friends see thieves operate in pairs, one by the front door, one by the car, and effectively use repeaters between the house and the car to unlock his Range Rover, and then drive away with it, in under a minute (as captured by his home security system). The question then becomes more of a value proposition / opportunity cost. If you can steal any keyless car trivially, why wouldn’t you target the vehicles that can net you the greatest return? Why steal a Prius when you can steal a Evoque?

bdavbdav 3y ago

Having had it on my last few cars, I wouldn’t go back.