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Their economic ranking has to drop unless women are kept out the ranking in the first place. The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about the

Their economic ranking has to drop unless women are kept out the ranking in the first place. The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. > Her boyfriend asked: “Did you have an affair with your boss?” He is now an ex-boyfriend. and > He thought household chores and child care were women’s work, and that women could not be leaders. and > In their analysis they found that young men were much more likely than young women to agree with statements such as “men should put career first, whereas women should put family first” and “when the economy is bad, female employees should be fired first.”

KingOfLechia 3y ago
Those quotes are completely made up.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
  > Those quotes are completely made up. I wouldn't say they are completely made up, you could probably meet some people with such views but I'd say they're a small majority. But yeah, you don't tell your girlfriend she had an affair with her boss unless you're total jerk, so I'd say the author of the article used these figurative examples trying to demonstrate different outlooks without caring for realism that much.
The_Colonel 3y ago
> The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. Part of the problem is that a more nuanced discussion is cancelled on the mainstream platforms, so many flock to echo chambers which tend to radicalize its members. It's absurd that basically any advocacy of men's rights will get you shouted down as chauvinism. Feminists claim they fight for equal rights, but then are not willing to take any men issue AND are not willing to acknowledge any organization focusing on men's rights in principle.
- d0liver 3y ago
  The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. And, feminists do definitely support those things. But, when your answer to your problems is "We need more power" and you already have a really disproportionate amount of it then of course feminists are not going to be happy about that.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    Some would consider mental health and education as "rights". And there are examples of legal rights where men are at a disadvantage, e.g. instances of positive discrimination, parenting rights etc. These are all of course debatable, but feminists usually just dismiss any such discussion out of hand in principle.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    > And, feminists do definitely support those things. Nah. They say they do, but they aren't actually willing to put any effort toward it and they shut down discourse when it is mentioned all the time in practice. Until you acknowledge this, you're just contributing to misandry, indirectly.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
    > The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. Statements like these are a part of the problem. Of course I believe in your case you maed it in good faith, but it shows how much needs to be done. One good example is obligatory military service, and the situation of men in Ukraine. While all women can freely escape the war, men have to suffer constant fear. Also, the article starts with examples from Poland. You may notice there is a 5-year gap in retirement age between men and women while lifespan gap is ca 8 years. That is men, if they manage to retire, would enjoy only 7 years of their retirement while for women it's over 20 years. This is both sad and unfair, for many reasons.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > And, feminists do definitely support those things In the same way prosecutors definitely support rights of the accused: notionally, but their hearts aren't really in it and they're motivated to look away.
blast 3y ago
Those quotes have been cherry-picked to give you that impression, so the article leads with outrage. I didn't think the Economist did that. Note that they sourced those quotes from a country which is still a more conservative society (for understandable reasons - not a criticsm). If they had quotes that bad from the US or the UK you can bet they'd have used them instead.

KingOfLechia 3y ago

Those quotes are completely made up.

dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
> Those quotes are completely made up. I wouldn't say they are completely made up, you could probably meet some people with such views but I'd say they're a small majority. But yeah, you don't tell your girlfriend she had an affair with her boss unless you're total jerk, so I'd say the author of the article used these figurative examples trying to demonstrate different outlooks without caring for realism that much.

The_Colonel 3y ago

> The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. Part of the problem is that a more nuanced discussion is cancelled on the mainstream platforms, so many flock to echo chambers which tend to radicalize its members. It's absurd that basically any advocacy of men's rights will get you shouted down as chauvinism. Feminists claim they fight for equal rights, but then are not willing to take any men issue AND are not willing to acknowledge any organization focusing on men's rights in principle.

d0liver 3y ago
The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. And, feminists do definitely support those things. But, when your answer to your problems is "We need more power" and you already have a really disproportionate amount of it then of course feminists are not going to be happy about that.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  Some would consider mental health and education as "rights". And there are examples of legal rights where men are at a disadvantage, e.g. instances of positive discrimination, parenting rights etc. These are all of course debatable, but feminists usually just dismiss any such discussion out of hand in principle.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  > And, feminists do definitely support those things. Nah. They say they do, but they aren't actually willing to put any effort toward it and they shut down discourse when it is mentioned all the time in practice. Until you acknowledge this, you're just contributing to misandry, indirectly.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
  > The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. Statements like these are a part of the problem. Of course I believe in your case you maed it in good faith, but it shows how much needs to be done. One good example is obligatory military service, and the situation of men in Ukraine. While all women can freely escape the war, men have to suffer constant fear. Also, the article starts with examples from Poland. You may notice there is a 5-year gap in retirement age between men and women while lifespan gap is ca 8 years. That is men, if they manage to retire, would enjoy only 7 years of their retirement while for women it's over 20 years. This is both sad and unfair, for many reasons.
- tivert 3y ago
  > And, feminists do definitely support those things In the same way prosecutors definitely support rights of the accused: notionally, but their hearts aren't really in it and they're motivated to look away.

blast 3y ago

Those quotes have been cherry-picked to give you that impression, so the article leads with outrage. I didn't think the Economist did that. Note that they sourced those quotes from a country which is still a more conservative society (for understandable reasons - not a criticsm). If they had quotes that bad from the US or the UK you can bet they'd have used them instead.