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I think part of this issue is really exacerbated by most politicians being unwilling to acknowledge boys and young men are falling behind and have some real pro

I think part of this issue is really exacerbated by most politicians being unwilling to acknowledge boys and young men are falling behind and have some real problems that they need help with. People feeling totally ignored and that their problems are invalid is how you get demagogues being elected across the west

eastbound 3y ago
If we stopped disregarding men’s needs, wouldn’t they stop competing for resources? Given they’re the only demographic that provides results for their work, wouldn’t that tank the economy? Think about it: What if men didn’t have the risk of being homeless?
- d0liver 3y ago
  Resource scarcity generally creates economic depressions, not growth. In general, something like a food shortage will cause people to freak out and try to horde whatever is left which causes commerce to start siezing up. This is why whenever it starts to happen the government comes in and injects a bunch of cash into the economy. I have no idea what you mean by "The only demographic that provides results for their work". Even from the perspective of creating competition for desirable outcomes, you want your workforce healthy and educated to be at their most productive. People are obviously going to be more productive when they're able to take care of themselves; they don't just stop caring about their lives once they have their most basic needs met, and even if your needs are being met, you have to continue to work to have your needs met.
- snapcaster 3y ago
  Interesting idea, but this feels like it's falling for the whole "strong men create good times" meme that doesn't really bear out in reality
MattGaiser 3y ago
Their economic ranking has to drop unless women are kept out the ranking in the first place. The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. > Her boyfriend asked: “Did you have an affair with your boss?” He is now an ex-boyfriend. and > He thought household chores and child care were women’s work, and that women could not be leaders. and > In their analysis they found that young men were much more likely than young women to agree with statements such as “men should put career first, whereas women should put family first” and “when the economy is bad, female employees should be fired first.”
- KingOfLechia 3y ago
  Those quotes are completely made up.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
    > Those quotes are completely made up. I wouldn't say they are completely made up, you could probably meet some people with such views but I'd say they're a small majority. But yeah, you don't tell your girlfriend she had an affair with her boss unless you're total jerk, so I'd say the author of the article used these figurative examples trying to demonstrate different outlooks without caring for realism that much.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  > The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. Part of the problem is that a more nuanced discussion is cancelled on the mainstream platforms, so many flock to echo chambers which tend to radicalize its members. It's absurd that basically any advocacy of men's rights will get you shouted down as chauvinism. Feminists claim they fight for equal rights, but then are not willing to take any men issue AND are not willing to acknowledge any organization focusing on men's rights in principle.
  - d0liver 3y ago
    The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. And, feminists do definitely support those things. But, when your answer to your problems is "We need more power" and you already have a really disproportionate amount of it then of course feminists are not going to be happy about that.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      Some would consider mental health and education as "rights". And there are examples of legal rights where men are at a disadvantage, e.g. instances of positive discrimination, parenting rights etc. These are all of course debatable, but feminists usually just dismiss any such discussion out of hand in principle.
bell-cot 3y ago
> ...most politicians being unwilling to acknowledge... Sadly, that's Political SoP for any group that both seems to be "society's current losers" and is not the current darling of some powerful ideological movement. Just ask poor women, Native American women, etc., etc., etc.
- leereeves 3y ago
  They aren't just "unwilling to acknowledge boys and young men are falling behind", they're actively pushing men down. Policies in the US for the last fifty years have generally targeted men. We see that in the extreme cases, as men are expelled and imprisoned far more often, but it's also true in more subtle policies, like DEI. Consider: even though young women outnumber men in universities 1.5 to 1, and do better, and even earn more, DEI still favors young women.
JojoFatsani 3y ago
Victim mentality won’t get you far
- snapcaster 3y ago
  A large cohort of young men with no skin in the game seems like bad news for any society, telling all those people they just have victim mentality seems dangerous and destabilizing

eastbound 3y ago

If we stopped disregarding men’s needs, wouldn’t they stop competing for resources? Given they’re the only demographic that provides results for their work, wouldn’t that tank the economy? Think about it: What if men didn’t have the risk of being homeless?

d0liver 3y ago
Resource scarcity generally creates economic depressions, not growth. In general, something like a food shortage will cause people to freak out and try to horde whatever is left which causes commerce to start siezing up. This is why whenever it starts to happen the government comes in and injects a bunch of cash into the economy. I have no idea what you mean by "The only demographic that provides results for their work". Even from the perspective of creating competition for desirable outcomes, you want your workforce healthy and educated to be at their most productive. People are obviously going to be more productive when they're able to take care of themselves; they don't just stop caring about their lives once they have their most basic needs met, and even if your needs are being met, you have to continue to work to have your needs met.
snapcaster 3y ago
Interesting idea, but this feels like it's falling for the whole "strong men create good times" meme that doesn't really bear out in reality

MattGaiser 3y ago

Their economic ranking has to drop unless women are kept out the ranking in the first place. The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. > Her boyfriend asked: “Did you have an affair with your boss?” He is now an ex-boyfriend. and > He thought household chores and child care were women’s work, and that women could not be leaders. and > In their analysis they found that young men were much more likely than young women to agree with statements such as “men should put career first, whereas women should put family first” and “when the economy is bad, female employees should be fired first.”

KingOfLechia 3y ago
Those quotes are completely made up.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
  > Those quotes are completely made up. I wouldn't say they are completely made up, you could probably meet some people with such views but I'd say they're a small majority. But yeah, you don't tell your girlfriend she had an affair with her boss unless you're total jerk, so I'd say the author of the article used these figurative examples trying to demonstrate different outlooks without caring for realism that much.
The_Colonel 3y ago
> The comments in the article by the men are pretty clearly about them believing women do not deserve to be there. Part of the problem is that a more nuanced discussion is cancelled on the mainstream platforms, so many flock to echo chambers which tend to radicalize its members. It's absurd that basically any advocacy of men's rights will get you shouted down as chauvinism. Feminists claim they fight for equal rights, but then are not willing to take any men issue AND are not willing to acknowledge any organization focusing on men's rights in principle.
- d0liver 3y ago
  The problem is not men's _rights_. It's men's _mental health_ and _education_. And, feminists do definitely support those things. But, when your answer to your problems is "We need more power" and you already have a really disproportionate amount of it then of course feminists are not going to be happy about that.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    Some would consider mental health and education as "rights". And there are examples of legal rights where men are at a disadvantage, e.g. instances of positive discrimination, parenting rights etc. These are all of course debatable, but feminists usually just dismiss any such discussion out of hand in principle.

bell-cot 3y ago

> ...most politicians being unwilling to acknowledge... Sadly, that's Political SoP for any group that both seems to be "society's current losers" and is not the current darling of some powerful ideological movement. Just ask poor women, Native American women, etc., etc., etc.

leereeves 3y ago
They aren't just "unwilling to acknowledge boys and young men are falling behind", they're actively pushing men down. Policies in the US for the last fifty years have generally targeted men. We see that in the extreme cases, as men are expelled and imprisoned far more often, but it's also true in more subtle policies, like DEI. Consider: even though young women outnumber men in universities 1.5 to 1, and do better, and even earn more, DEI still favors young women.

JojoFatsani 3y ago

Victim mentality won’t get you far

snapcaster 3y ago
A large cohort of young men with no skin in the game seems like bad news for any society, telling all those people they just have victim mentality seems dangerous and destabilizing