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Are you suggesting that there is some conspiracy that the billionaire class is undertaking to do this intentionally? I think the answer is much more simple. S

Are you suggesting that there is some conspiracy that the billionaire class is undertaking to do this intentionally? I think the answer is much more simple. Social media creators and platforms thrive off of engagement, and narratives that prey on people’s insecurities are highly effective at keeping people engaged and glued to their phones rather than having productive social lives.

horrysith 3y ago
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wenebego 3y ago
It doesnt need to be a conspiracy, it is a group of very powerful people, with similar interests based on their class. A class who happens to need another class to continue working/making babies to ensure their way of life doesnt collapse.
- kube-system 3y ago
  That sounds like a great plot line for a story, but why is the more simple answer wrong? Moreover, why would anyone actively and maliciously need to espouse those viewpoints when there are perfectly explainable reasons for those viewpoints to circulate naturally? I know there are many influencers are associated with certain powerful and funded groups, but the majority of people parroting these viewpoints are not related.
  - wenebego 3y ago
    I never said the more simple answer is wrong, im explaining why it doesnt need to be a conspiracy. You are also assuming "actively and maliciously," thats not necesarily the case. Of course the best lie has a grain of truth. The majority of people need to get their words to parrot from somewhere. This is where the powerful and funded groups come in, money gives your message more reach.
sprash 3y ago
Maybe not billionaires but in the past "activists" like Glroria Steinem were confirmed CIA operatives. These days they are called "influencers" but quiet probable still state funded.
riehwvfbk 3y ago
You seem to like Occam's Razor, so what about this explanation: look at who benefits. You double the workforce (and so get to halve salaries and increase productivity due to competition), you cut down the birth rate, and you get worker bees who are ideologically motivated by fighting for their favorite cause, and so aren't looking to change anything about the employer-employee relationship. If you are a billionaire, sponsoring some talking heads to achieve this seems like a no-brainer. And by the way, this doesn't mean I am saying "women should go back to being women" or anything like that. The billionaire class didn't turn women into men. They turned both women and men into sexless worker bees.
brightball 3y ago
I am suggesting that there are people who want things this way, yes. Over the last 20 years especially, it seems there are similar interests going after institutions that often bring communities together, schools, churches, sports, etc. The more isolated people are from their local community, the more they are driven online where social media and forums will have more influence. When you step back and look at everything that goes on, it's hard to ignore and the result is people who are more detached with fewer friends, isolated and lonely. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/friendships-less-is-now-more/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/friendships-less-is-n... https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208572681/friends-friendship-meet-up-research-pew-health-benefits https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208572681/friends-friendship... https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/02/15/fewer-friends-less-time-to-hang-out-what-data-says-of-our-friendships-post-pandemic-world https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/02/15/fewer-friends-les... https://www.vox.com/23130613/fewer-friends-how-many https://www.vox.com/23130613/fewer-friends-how-many https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/americans-have-fewer-friends-than-ever-before-study/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/americans-have-fewer-friends-t...
- kube-system 3y ago
  There are, but not for the reasons the root comment was suggesting. I don’t think billionaires want people to hold extremist views about the opposite gender. I think that’s even against their best interests in many cases. But some groups do push a narrative that unintentionally makes people feel isolated. I think this is more a side effect than a directly intended effect.

horrysith 3y ago

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wenebego 3y ago

It doesnt need to be a conspiracy, it is a group of very powerful people, with similar interests based on their class. A class who happens to need another class to continue working/making babies to ensure their way of life doesnt collapse.

kube-system 3y ago
That sounds like a great plot line for a story, but why is the more simple answer wrong? Moreover, why would anyone actively and maliciously need to espouse those viewpoints when there are perfectly explainable reasons for those viewpoints to circulate naturally? I know there are many influencers are associated with certain powerful and funded groups, but the majority of people parroting these viewpoints are not related.
- wenebego 3y ago
  I never said the more simple answer is wrong, im explaining why it doesnt need to be a conspiracy. You are also assuming "actively and maliciously," thats not necesarily the case. Of course the best lie has a grain of truth. The majority of people need to get their words to parrot from somewhere. This is where the powerful and funded groups come in, money gives your message more reach.

sprash 3y ago

Maybe not billionaires but in the past "activists" like Glroria Steinem were confirmed CIA operatives. These days they are called "influencers" but quiet probable still state funded.

riehwvfbk 3y ago

You seem to like Occam's Razor, so what about this explanation: look at who benefits. You double the workforce (and so get to halve salaries and increase productivity due to competition), you cut down the birth rate, and you get worker bees who are ideologically motivated by fighting for their favorite cause, and so aren't looking to change anything about the employer-employee relationship. If you are a billionaire, sponsoring some talking heads to achieve this seems like a no-brainer. And by the way, this doesn't mean I am saying "women should go back to being women" or anything like that. The billionaire class didn't turn women into men. They turned both women and men into sexless worker bees.

brightball 3y ago

I am suggesting that there are people who want things this way, yes. Over the last 20 years especially, it seems there are similar interests going after institutions that often bring communities together, schools, churches, sports, etc. The more isolated people are from their local community, the more they are driven online where social media and forums will have more influence. When you step back and look at everything that goes on, it's hard to ignore and the result is people who are more detached with fewer friends, isolated and lonely. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/friendships-less-is-now-more/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/friendships-less-is-n... https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208572681/friends-friendship-meet-up-research-pew-health-benefits https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208572681/friends-friendship... https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/02/15/fewer-friends-less-time-to-hang-out-what-data-says-of-our-friendships-post-pandemic-world https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/02/15/fewer-friends-les... https://www.vox.com/23130613/fewer-friends-how-many https://www.vox.com/23130613/fewer-friends-how-many https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/americans-have-fewer-friends-than-ever-before-study/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/americans-have-fewer-friends-t...

kube-system 3y ago
There are, but not for the reasons the root comment was suggesting. I don’t think billionaires want people to hold extremist views about the opposite gender. I think that’s even against their best interests in many cases. But some groups do push a narrative that unintentionally makes people feel isolated. I think this is more a side effect than a directly intended effect.