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This may be true, but I would expect Boeing, a titan of the industry and up until recently assumed leader of aviation safety, to retain footage for much, much l

This may be true, but I would expect Boeing, a titan of the industry and up until recently assumed leader of aviation safety, to retain footage for much, much longer for training and QA purposes. Yes, I'm aware this opens them up to all kinds of liability, but corporate liability is worth so much less than data that could save human lives. I'm of the opinion that corporate retention policies are specifically encouraging companies to cover up mistakes rather than fixing them. It feels to me like, if we required companies to retain data for years rather than days, and then rewarded companies that use that data to fully cooperate with investigators, swiftly admit fault, and take corrective action when the screw up, with lower fines and penalties, that that would trump the perceived "danger" of retaining data for too long. The fact that companies are actively encouraged to delete evidence of wrongdoing so that when a situation emerges where that data would be useful, the company can just shift blame on an asinine written policy is completely nuts to me, and shows that we've totally lost the f**ing plot when it comes to actually encouraging better safety practices.

jjulius 3y ago
>This may be true, but I would expect Boeing, a titan of the industry and up until recently assumed leader of aviation safety, to retain footage for much, much longer for training and QA purposes. I mean, as someone who grew up two minutes from Boeing's Everett plant with pride, I would've said the same thing up until about a decade or so ago. Everything we have learned about Boeing's culture in the time since strongly suggests that we should expect the opposite from them.
abadpoli 3y ago
It isn’t just “corporate liability”, it’s literally illegal in some jurisdictions to retain camera footage for that long. There are significant privacy implications for recording someone at their workplace and deciding on a retention period has to take that into account. My guess is that the workers unions at Boeing’s plants would fight tooth and nail to keep those recordings from being retained longer.
- nameless912 3y ago
  Which is too bad, because those recordings are extremely useful for harassment cases, worker safety violations, etc.

jjulius 3y ago

>This may be true, but I would expect Boeing, a titan of the industry and up until recently assumed leader of aviation safety, to retain footage for much, much longer for training and QA purposes. I mean, as someone who grew up two minutes from Boeing's Everett plant with pride, I would've said the same thing up until about a decade or so ago. Everything we have learned about Boeing's culture in the time since strongly suggests that we should expect the opposite from them.

abadpoli 3y ago

It isn’t just “corporate liability”, it’s literally illegal in some jurisdictions to retain camera footage for that long. There are significant privacy implications for recording someone at their workplace and deciding on a retention period has to take that into account. My guess is that the workers unions at Boeing’s plants would fight tooth and nail to keep those recordings from being retained longer.

nameless912 3y ago
Which is too bad, because those recordings are extremely useful for harassment cases, worker safety violations, etc.