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This is a loaded question and I can't see how it's related. A victim of Maoist violence was deplatformed by socialist students. Do victims of socialist governm

This is a loaded question and I can't see how it's related. A victim of Maoist violence was deplatformed by socialist students. Do victims of socialist governments represent such an abhorrent ideology?

woooooo 3y ago
I'm honestly asking what you're talking about, the people mentioned in grandparent comment are american conservative personalities who as far as I know have never been publicly beaten, displayed in a cage and forced to self-criticize.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I was talking about "and the 2023 Whitworth University disinvitation of Xi Van Fleet, a Chinese dissident who grew up during Mao’s Cultural Revolution." The comment claimed only the most vile ideas get deplatformed and a lot of the examples in that article cite people that are not vile but inconvenient to the left.
  - woooooo 3y ago
    Hadn't heard of her. Apparently she wrote a book called "Mao's America". Anyways I think you're being unfair to the original comment, they didn't say what you're claiming.
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      "I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time." I really don't think I'm being unfair in saying that comment implies the deplatformed people are vile. Given the context of the article what other group could be the "people with ugly, hateful ideologies" if not the deplatformed speakers?
      - komali2 3y ago
        I don't know too much about this woman so I scoped her Twitter feed https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 > Chinese conservative author Yu Jie @yujie89 offers a profile of anti-Trump Chinese “influencers”, both outside and inside China: > They are mostly left-wingers and supporters of BLM. > They are mostly atheists. > They are mostly favored guests/commentators of Chinese language MSM. > Among them is the famous dissident Ai Weiwei. Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Not to mention the religious rage baiting. Scrolling through her feed, she seems like your typical American right wing talk show political grifter. You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. As someone else put it, modern university students are less naive than that. They understand that people like this woman aren't here to say "can I tell you why I think communism is bad from my time under a communist regime," but instead are asking "can I come rage bait your campus by fear mongering about all leftist ideology, tying it into religious fear mongering and doing a bit of race baiting? I will likely also be fomenting whatever this week's culture war talking points are." And the students, rightly, are engaging this speaker in the way she deserves: protest. Preventing her from speaking isn't really the point, loudly demonstrating her viewpoints aren't welcome is.
        hotdogscout 3y ago
        >Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? >You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. I think you don't understand how inherently axiomatic the logic of political positions are. Just for fun: I counted four cognitive fallacies in your post. Sweeping generalizations (conservatives ...), ad hominem attacks (by labeling the author as a "typical American right-wing talk show political grifter" without addressing the substance of her arguments), false dichotomies (by implying that engaging with her viewpoints through "rigorous logic and spirited debate" is ineffective and that protest is the only viable response) and confirmation bias (dismissing the possibility of engaging with the her arguments in good faith and assuming that the only reason for their presence is to engage in divisive tactics).

woooooo 3y ago

I'm honestly asking what you're talking about, the people mentioned in grandparent comment are american conservative personalities who as far as I know have never been publicly beaten, displayed in a cage and forced to self-criticize.

hotdogscout 3y ago
I was talking about "and the 2023 Whitworth University disinvitation of Xi Van Fleet, a Chinese dissident who grew up during Mao’s Cultural Revolution." The comment claimed only the most vile ideas get deplatformed and a lot of the examples in that article cite people that are not vile but inconvenient to the left.
- woooooo 3y ago
  Hadn't heard of her. Apparently she wrote a book called "Mao's America". Anyways I think you're being unfair to the original comment, they didn't say what you're claiming.
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    "I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time." I really don't think I'm being unfair in saying that comment implies the deplatformed people are vile. Given the context of the article what other group could be the "people with ugly, hateful ideologies" if not the deplatformed speakers?
    - komali2 3y ago
      I don't know too much about this woman so I scoped her Twitter feed https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 > Chinese conservative author Yu Jie @yujie89 offers a profile of anti-Trump Chinese “influencers”, both outside and inside China: > They are mostly left-wingers and supporters of BLM. > They are mostly atheists. > They are mostly favored guests/commentators of Chinese language MSM. > Among them is the famous dissident Ai Weiwei. Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Not to mention the religious rage baiting. Scrolling through her feed, she seems like your typical American right wing talk show political grifter. You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. As someone else put it, modern university students are less naive than that. They understand that people like this woman aren't here to say "can I tell you why I think communism is bad from my time under a communist regime," but instead are asking "can I come rage bait your campus by fear mongering about all leftist ideology, tying it into religious fear mongering and doing a bit of race baiting? I will likely also be fomenting whatever this week's culture war talking points are." And the students, rightly, are engaging this speaker in the way she deserves: protest. Preventing her from speaking isn't really the point, loudly demonstrating her viewpoints aren't welcome is.
      - hotdogscout 3y ago
        >Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Would you conflate BLM with the Republican Party? This is a quiet part? >You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. I think you don't understand how inherently axiomatic the logic of political positions are. Just for fun: I counted four cognitive fallacies in your post. Sweeping generalizations (conservatives ...), ad hominem attacks (by labeling the author as a "typical American right-wing talk show political grifter" without addressing the substance of her arguments), false dichotomies (by implying that engaging with her viewpoints through "rigorous logic and spirited debate" is ineffective and that protest is the only viable response) and confirmation bias (dismissing the possibility of engaging with the her arguments in good faith and assuming that the only reason for their presence is to engage in divisive tactics).