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Perhaps that's why the US has such a massively high crime rate compared to London. Given a choice between being knifed/shot/mugged etc, and having a camera wat

Perhaps that's why the US has such a massively high crime rate compared to London. Given a choice between being knifed/shot/mugged etc, and having a camera watch me, I'd choose the latter.

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darklajid 14y ago
Or perhaps not. Other countries in western Europe are fine without it, and with a low(er) crime rate to boot. You believe in a connection between surveillance and crimes. Exactly that assumption is the part that seems debatable - even if we ignore the whole privacy argument.
- mibbitier 14y ago
  CCTV increases conviction rates, and acts as a deterrent. It also serves to make the public feel safer.
  - darklajid 14y ago
    And your source is..? I think my post stated that this is exactly the problem: The 'facts' you list are disputed, the discussion ongoing. This interpretation of yours is not proven. Opponents argue that most statistics are of the causation != correlation kind and that thinking that CCTVs stop crimes is like believing in stopping piracy by suing old ladys for downloading 3 Britney Spears songs.
helen842000 14y ago
Unfortunately it still happens, the only difference is they have footage. It's not just CCTV, cameras are ubiquitous, in everyones pockets. Just look at the London riots, and the mugging of a student after he had already been attacked. It was caught both on smartphone and on CCTV. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15232750 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15232750 Even faced with video evidence they pleaded not guilty. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/02/john-kafunda-reece-donovan-guilty-malaysian-student_n_1315662.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/02/john-kafunda-reec... They've now been sentenced to 5 and 3.5 years in jail. The cameras didn't stop it happening. The police watch from afar and convict later.
- mibbitier 14y ago
  You're picking out a couple of rare cases, and saying "it still happens". Try living in the US for a while. Over there it happens every day.
  - helen842000 14y ago
    I'm picking out a case that was caught on CCTV I'm suggesting that while CCTV provides footage for conviction it doesn't actually make you safer and stop things in progress. It doesn't matter where you live.

Perhaps that's why the US has such a massively high crime rate compared to London. Given a choice between being knifed/shot/mugged etc, and having a camera watch me, I'd choose the latter.

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darklajid 14y ago

Or perhaps not. Other countries in western Europe are fine without it, and with a low(er) crime rate to boot. You believe in a connection between surveillance and crimes. Exactly that assumption is the part that seems debatable - even if we ignore the whole privacy argument.

mibbitier 14y ago
CCTV increases conviction rates, and acts as a deterrent. It also serves to make the public feel safer.
- darklajid 14y ago
  And your source is..? I think my post stated that this is exactly the problem: The 'facts' you list are disputed, the discussion ongoing. This interpretation of yours is not proven. Opponents argue that most statistics are of the causation != correlation kind and that thinking that CCTVs stop crimes is like believing in stopping piracy by suing old ladys for downloading 3 Britney Spears songs.

helen842000 14y ago

Unfortunately it still happens, the only difference is they have footage. It's not just CCTV, cameras are ubiquitous, in everyones pockets. Just look at the London riots, and the mugging of a student after he had already been attacked. It was caught both on smartphone and on CCTV. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15232750 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15232750 Even faced with video evidence they pleaded not guilty. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/02/john-kafunda-reece-donovan-guilty-malaysian-student_n_1315662.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/02/john-kafunda-reec... They've now been sentenced to 5 and 3.5 years in jail. The cameras didn't stop it happening. The police watch from afar and convict later.

mibbitier 14y ago
You're picking out a couple of rare cases, and saying "it still happens". Try living in the US for a while. Over there it happens every day.
- helen842000 14y ago
  I'm picking out a case that was caught on CCTV I'm suggesting that while CCTV provides footage for conviction it doesn't actually make you safer and stop things in progress. It doesn't matter where you live.