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"Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™

_kbh_ 3y ago
> "Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™ Its literally part of there constitution that they don't have elections whilst they are at war, and from a practical standpoint how would it even work for territories on the front line or under occupation?.
reaperman 3y ago
Was the UK one of the powers of democracy fighting against dictatorships in WW2? UK paused elections for 5-6 years during an existential war. Ukraine is currently fighting an existential war. It’s very likely that all continental European democracies also would have voluntarily suspended elections, but they were occupied by the German Nazi government and not given a choice. Finland, another democracy, also decided not to have their people vote for a new president in 1940 due to WW2. They also postponed their 1943 parliamentary elections. > Due to the lingering threat of another war and the Karelian refugees' dispersal throughout Finland, regular presidential elections were cancelled, and instead the two hundred and eighty eight 1937 presidential electors were summoned to select a new President.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  I figured with these new election security measures, that lead to the most secure election in history here in the US, they could securely hold an election. Just mail out ballots to registered voters addresses and have drop boxes.
  - reaperman 3y ago
    You’d be very very wrong, if that’s what you actually think. Mail is not reliably working across large areas of Ukraine, millions are displaced and not residing at their “registered voter address”, and anyone in occupied areas would be entirely disenfranchised. Also I need more context on how “election security in the US” translates to “securely holding an election in occupied Ukraine”. I’m not up-to-date on the specific developments in the USA and also have no idea how they would translate over in Ukraine. I need you to help me understand what you are saying there (with specifics) enumerating which “new election security measures” you are talking about. All I’m aware of is an increase in voter ID requirements. And I’m not sure how that would help the areas of Ukraine who are not free to receive mail or even establish a drop box voting center.
dralley 3y ago
1) The majority of Ukrainians did not want to hold elections. Polls have been done on this. Polling places would be massive targets, for one, but also it would be a logistical disaster. Half of the country is displaced either internally or in occupied territory or a refugee in Europe or on the front lines where unnecessary rotations would be dangerous. Overcoming those problems would require a lot of money, during a period when Ukraine is struggling to pay their soldiers and keep the country running. 2) The Ukrainian Constitution explicitly shuts down elections during wartime by default. It would be more legally challenging to have one, than to not have one.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
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bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
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> "Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™ Its literally part of there constitution that they don't have elections whilst they are at war, and from a practical standpoint how would it even work for territories on the front line or under occupation?.

reaperman 3y ago

Was the UK one of the powers of democracy fighting against dictatorships in WW2? UK paused elections for 5-6 years during an existential war. Ukraine is currently fighting an existential war. It’s very likely that all continental European democracies also would have voluntarily suspended elections, but they were occupied by the German Nazi government and not given a choice. Finland, another democracy, also decided not to have their people vote for a new president in 1940 due to WW2. They also postponed their 1943 parliamentary elections. > Due to the lingering threat of another war and the Karelian refugees' dispersal throughout Finland, regular presidential elections were cancelled, and instead the two hundred and eighty eight 1937 presidential electors were summoned to select a new President.

willcipriano 3y ago
I figured with these new election security measures, that lead to the most secure election in history here in the US, they could securely hold an election. Just mail out ballots to registered voters addresses and have drop boxes.
- reaperman 3y ago
  You’d be very very wrong, if that’s what you actually think. Mail is not reliably working across large areas of Ukraine, millions are displaced and not residing at their “registered voter address”, and anyone in occupied areas would be entirely disenfranchised. Also I need more context on how “election security in the US” translates to “securely holding an election in occupied Ukraine”. I’m not up-to-date on the specific developments in the USA and also have no idea how they would translate over in Ukraine. I need you to help me understand what you are saying there (with specifics) enumerating which “new election security measures” you are talking about. All I’m aware of is an increase in voter ID requirements. And I’m not sure how that would help the areas of Ukraine who are not free to receive mail or even establish a drop box voting center.

dralley 3y ago

1) The majority of Ukrainians did not want to hold elections. Polls have been done on this. Polling places would be massive targets, for one, but also it would be a logistical disaster. Half of the country is displaced either internally or in occupied territory or a refugee in Europe or on the front lines where unnecessary rotations would be dangerous. Overcoming those problems would require a lot of money, during a period when Ukraine is struggling to pay their soldiers and keep the country running. 2) The Ukrainian Constitution explicitly shuts down elections during wartime by default. It would be more legally challenging to have one, than to not have one.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
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bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago

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