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What happens when an HTTP client raises $225M at a $5.6B valuation
- ado__dev 3y agoFor an http client that hasn’t be shittified to hell usebruno.com
- TheFragenTaken 3y agoWhat I miss the most is the request interceptor. Yes, I know I can copy requests/responses from my browser.
- stavros 3y agoI know it's a separate tool, but HTTP Toolkit is great: https://httptoolkit.com/ https://httptoolkit.com/
- bunbun69 3y agodownload tool a,b,c,d,e,f or Postman and call it a day tough decision
- spoiler 3y agoBefore finding out about Bruno, I've used HTTPie or curl (curl mostly out of muscle memory, since HTTPie is really new to me), because of how atrocious the UX in Postman is now. And this is coming from someone who generally prefers GUIs, and I even liked Postman a few years ago. Right clicking, or installing an extra tool is much less friction than using Postman
- binary132 3y agoyet what’s wrong with curl again?
- ado__dev 3y agoNothing wrong with it, but I love having a GUI sometimes
- darkhorse13 3y agoAt this point, this is worse than parody.
- gardenhedge 3y agoStraight out of (HBO) Silicon Valley
- Invictus0 3y agoWhat does postman even do?
- bundie 3y agoWrap curl around a GUI
- miyuru 3y agoLast I checked it was also an Electron app, so basically a web browser with network tools+.
- silverquiet 3y agoI think I'm getting to be a crotchety old greybeard because I had the experience of being offered a Postman license at work only to say, "no thanks - curl does everything I need". Like it does have some nice convenience features and all that, but curl just does exactly what I need usually.
- stavros 3y agoHTTPie does it better, though.
- bananapub 3y agomakes HTTP requests, with a lot of tooling around it. it's a nice idea, but (like almost everything) has been poisoned by a bunch of dumb venture capitalists driving a dumptruck of money up to the company and telling them to destroy the value the product provided.
- rpigab 3y agoStore simple text information (http requests method, uri, headers and content) in an obfuscated form (the json file for collections) that doesn't feel right to be put under version control, but that often needs to be. Which is why I use IntellIJ's HTTP client. Worse is Postman wants you to share collections on their SaaS thing that doesn't add any value to me over my Git host or my company's.
- stavros 3y agoPostman inhabits this weird niche where it was tons of value when it was free, and now it's wildly not worth the price. The only thing keeping us on Postman was inertia, which this year's invoice has finally sprung us out of, and we're switching to Bruno. I worry that Bruno will go the same way, as that's also what Insomnia did.
- Ekaros 3y agoIt really feels something so simple that in the end mostly open source free tool done as hobby could do most of the functionality. Leveraging some existing open source tool...
- rapsey 3y agoAnd they do. There are a ton of clones.
- noufalibrahim 3y agoI end up using it just because the team does. I much prefer curl for most things.
- Ekaros 3y agoI do security stuff. So I get paid Burp License... So I just end up using that myself. If I implement or integrate with something myself yeah I just do curl too. Or more complex case python.
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- bananapub 3y ago> Connect with fellow API practitioners and global tech leaders ahahahah on the plus side, we should be grateful they're safely incinerating so much money from VCs - far far far worse companies could have got it and done far worse things than buying T-Pain a new Bentley.
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- Voultapher 3y ago"leaders" https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/leadership-is-a-hell-of-a-drug/ https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/leadership-is-a-hell-of-a-dr...
- jugg1es 3y agoI saw this announcement in my email yesterday and thought to myself "I didn't know T-Pain was an API fan"
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoBetween pricing, outages, and documentation, many usage of APIs do involve a lot of Pain.
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- NovemberWhiskey 3y agoYou’ll never go poor overestimating developer laziness.
- mgkimsal 3y agoI worked on a couple teams (contract - 3-6 months at a stretch), and teams had postman licenses for everyone - assuming it was some enterprise-type deal. No developers used it. We all had access to it, but none used it (well, none did in the several months I was there). I guess some used it at some point, but it was primarily a tool some testers used, from what I could tell. Now... devs needed access to it to help answer questions from time to time, and I guess... 'using it' would be to put some new endpoint info in some collection, then grant access to it, but it wasn't anything helping out any developers day to day. But the companies paid for full licensing for everyone anyway - perhaps that's just easier in some sense? I guess that's the game?
- NovemberWhiskey 3y agoI think the developer productivity tooling market exists at such high valuation because no one has really any useful metrics in that space. I’ve worked in firms where we’ve bought into ideas that are absolutely based on cognitive dissonance - like the business cases across initiatives collectively achieving a >100% reduction in “inefficiencies”. That tells me at least some of those business cases are wrong but they’re all getting investment. Tends to be a “biggest bullshitter wins” thing.
- pavlov 3y agoTo save you the click to Twitter, the post links to an announcement about Postman's "POST/CON 2024" conference: https://www.postman.com/postcon/ https://www.postman.com/postcon/ "Celebrate at our after-party with a performance by six-time Grammy winner and multi-platinum recording artist T-Pain. Conference-goers will stroll to the historic August Hall to enjoy evening drinks, our own bowling alley, and an unforgettable live show." And Postman describes themselves as: "Postman is an API platform for building and using APIs. Postman simplifies each step of the API lifecycle and streamlines collaboration so you can create better APIs—faster." https://www.postman.com https://www.postman.com So, I don't know. Enterprise sales gonna enterprise sell? It's part of the game...
- bananapub 3y ago> Enterprise sales gonna enterprise sell? mate it's a tool to make http requests
- thisislife2 3y agoCorrection: It's an enterprise tool to make http requests. Would you be questioning OP this way if the tool was from Oracle? ;)
- pavlov 3y agoMaybe that's what it actually is, but this is the story they're selling to enterprise customers: "simplifies each step of the API lifecycle and streamlines collaboration" So I guess there's a bunch of API design platform stuff around the client app that they hope will lock in enterprise developers somehow.
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- tutfbhuf 3y agoA $5.6B valuation means that Postman is about as valuable as Reddit ($6.4B). There might be an alternative simulated universe in which this makes sense, but it is not ours. Unfortunately, the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent, so I won't short Postman if it will be listed sometime in the future, but damn, I would really like to do so.
- taftster 3y agoValuations are silly and comparing them apples-to-apples rarely makes that much sense. It's just some numbers on a paper, there's no real "value" there.
- dgellow 3y agoA company pays an artist for a party? I don’t understand, what is awful?
- fatnoah 3y agoThis is the first thing that came to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYI957ge4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYI957ge4c
- dgellow 3y agoI get that it’s funny and a bit ridiculous, what I don’t get is the reaction “that’s what a company valued a $Xb does, it’s awful”. And really, it’s just a company organizing a party with a famous (I guess?) artist. What is seen as awful here?
- darkhorse13 3y agoAs a fellow API practitioner and API enthusiast, I love listening to T-Pain as I'm shredding it on the front-end.
- Ekaros 3y agoNo wonder... 14$ month Basic, 29$ month Professional. 49$ (+49$)(+49$) month for Enterprise... I'm poor and stingy so that sounds a lot. Specially when these sort of tools start to add up...
- neglesaks 3y agoI'm in HTTPain
- b99andla 3y agoSwitched two years ago from Postman to Insomnia. Now Insomnia is also adding lots of logins and paid stuff and I am switching to Bruno. So far it seems great!
- Nihilartikel 3y agoMy postman is Jupyter with the 'requests' module loaded.
- polotics 3y agoSo much this indeed!!! I really wonder how Postman users think that doing something in an UI instead of in code is adding value to their workflow.
- Jcowell 3y agoBecause I can set it up and share it with my team and quickly onboard new members to our REST API from any environment in less than a few buttons. Any setup needed is already in the pre request script field of the collection. If I wanted to share different versions of the request I can do so via postman’s code tab. I would say this adds tremendous value over a jupyter script.
- iobert 3y agoI'm not sure why you're all complaining. API is literally in T-Pain (3/5). I couldn't think of a better act.
- therealdrag0 3y agoThat valuation was in 2021. Wonder what it is now.
- rsync 3y agoThis is beautiful. I had so much fun at Twilio signal the year that Tony hawk was there and OK GO played … Great open bar and fantastic catering. I have no idea what postman is or what people use it for but what’s the point of living in the bay area in 2024 if you’re not taking advantage of this excess? Will try to attend in May ...
- johnny99k 3y agoWe have multiple licenses for Postman at work. I saw this email and laughed. Doe they really need a con for postman? I do like the client though. It makes it real easy to share REST api endpoints between teams.
- nojvek 3y agoI use httpie from cli. It’s a much faster experience to call endpoints from a bash scripts. Never got the postman hype.