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That's interesting because IMO and other peers - it's not that the interviews are hard, it's that the market is clearly saturated. They either don't get intervi

That's interesting because IMO and other peers - it's not that the interviews are hard, it's that the market is clearly saturated. They either don't get interviews, or even if they "do well" employers ghost and never give feedback.

ein0p 3y ago
All of the bigtech is still hiring, folks with good track record have no trouble moving around. Perhaps even _too little_ trouble, as evidenced by attrition in my neck of the corporate woods of folks who are going to be darn near impossible to replace. A large segment of bigtech is hiring and firing thousands of people pretty much at the same time. It's psychotic, inhumane and counterproductive (IMO), but that's currently how it is.
- bradlys 3y ago
  Big tech is definitely not hiring like it used to. I’m not sure where you’re getting your source but big tech has been doing most of the layoffs for the last 18 months and not rehiring to fill.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Not "like it used to", but it's hiring, for sure. And it's not "rehiring" mostly - it's hiring in different places than the ones from which they lay off.
    - bradlys 3y ago
      You're gonna need a source for this. Every person I know in SV is having trouble getting interviews at big tech employers outside of FB. FB is the only one that is actively still interviewing - and they're negotiating people down aggressively because they know they're the only ones hiring. We've had articles here about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39526316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39526316
      - ein0p 3y ago
        Dude, I’m _interviewing candidates_ every week at one of the FANGs that is not Meta. I _am_ the “source”. If you have any AI/ML skills, and the corresponding track record, the market is not dead by any stretch. Could be that those persons aren’t in demand right now. I also know a ton of people at Google, and Google is hiring as well, in spite of the much publicized layoffs. I don’t understand this (it takes someone external 3-6 months to get productive there, and some people don’t make it at all), but it’s a fact.
        bradlys 3y ago
        You just said it yourself, the market is dead for anyone not in ML/AI. Why are you being contrarian just for the sake of it?
        ein0p 3y ago
        I did not say that. I said market is not dead for ml/ai and adjacent fields for sure, since that’s where I am. That doesn’t mean hiring is dead everywhere else.

ein0p 3y ago

All of the bigtech is still hiring, folks with good track record have no trouble moving around. Perhaps even _too little_ trouble, as evidenced by attrition in my neck of the corporate woods of folks who are going to be darn near impossible to replace. A large segment of bigtech is hiring and firing thousands of people pretty much at the same time. It's psychotic, inhumane and counterproductive (IMO), but that's currently how it is.

bradlys 3y ago
Big tech is definitely not hiring like it used to. I’m not sure where you’re getting your source but big tech has been doing most of the layoffs for the last 18 months and not rehiring to fill.
- ein0p 3y ago
  Not "like it used to", but it's hiring, for sure. And it's not "rehiring" mostly - it's hiring in different places than the ones from which they lay off.
  - bradlys 3y ago
    You're gonna need a source for this. Every person I know in SV is having trouble getting interviews at big tech employers outside of FB. FB is the only one that is actively still interviewing - and they're negotiating people down aggressively because they know they're the only ones hiring. We've had articles here about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39526316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39526316
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Dude, I’m _interviewing candidates_ every week at one of the FANGs that is not Meta. I _am_ the “source”. If you have any AI/ML skills, and the corresponding track record, the market is not dead by any stretch. Could be that those persons aren’t in demand right now. I also know a ton of people at Google, and Google is hiring as well, in spite of the much publicized layoffs. I don’t understand this (it takes someone external 3-6 months to get productive there, and some people don’t make it at all), but it’s a fact.
      - bradlys 3y ago
        You just said it yourself, the market is dead for anyone not in ML/AI. Why are you being contrarian just for the sake of it?
        ein0p 3y ago
        I did not say that. I said market is not dead for ml/ai and adjacent fields for sure, since that’s where I am. That doesn’t mean hiring is dead everywhere else.