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nobody at Bluesky has a clear idea why anyone else would ever run a relay other than for the good of society ... I don't think Bluesky's own incentives, nor the
by wmf 3y ago
nobody at Bluesky has a clear idea why anyone else would ever run a relay other than for the good of society ... I don't think Bluesky's own incentives, nor the incentives that they are laying out with this design, are particularly fantastic for the health of the network they are building.
I fully agree with this but I'm giving Bluesky a lot of benefit of the doubt because I think Mastodon has even worse incentives and I can't come up with anything better. (I can come up with different tradeoffs but they always leave somebody pissed off.)
Getting back to the Japan problem, I think "content we care about is blocked on the main relay" should be enough incentive to run an alternate relay and maybe a patched client. Obviously there's a bootstrapping issue there but you could say the same about Bluesky vs. Mastodon and yet here we are millions of users later.
- jchw 3y agoI do like Bluesky's take on identity in particular. Mastodon is pretty catastrophic in the way that identity works, and AT proto offers some really compelling ideas here. That said, I don't know. I desperately hope for Bluesky to succeed, because some of the ideas would be great in an ideal world where they've got it all figured out, but I hope that the resources necessary to run relays winds up being a lot less than its made out to be. Otherwise, if it really does require massive amounts of resources, I just can't see anyone choosing to do this. For Japan, I think it is much more likely they would pour resources into domestic SNS services like Misskey.io, as Skeb, Inc recently did.