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The trend here is unmistakeable: https://hnhiring.com/trends https://hnhiring.com/trends Only one source of course, but I think it's indicative of the state o

The trend here is unmistakeable: https://hnhiring.com/trends https://hnhiring.com/trends Only one source of course, but I think it's indicative of the state of the overall market.

jvanderbot 3y ago
It's quite a bit slower than the peak in 2022-ish, just from my anecdata
mc32 3y ago
I agree and it's not only tech, but other areas as well. It's not easy. Whereas before in many cases hiring mgrs would settle for the top of middling candidates, right now because they have so many good quality candidates to choose from, they are being choosey. I know experienced people who previously would be getting recruited now have to search much longer and also settle for lesser jobs.
whiterknight 3y ago
Thanks, that’s much more helpful than the article.
patresh 3y ago
How can one explain the graph you linked given the recent bull market in stocks? Wouldn't this mean that capital is flowing in which should lead to more hiring? Is the job market response delayed or are there other factors?
- lazide 3y ago
  Stock market pricing also tends to follow inflation expectations. Every time inflation is expected to increase, stock market tends to go up. Not necessarily because ‘more inflation adjusted dollars’ but because ‘same thing will be worth more dollars, after inflation’.
- anotherhue 3y ago
  The old addage is that the stock market is not the economy.
- perfectspiral 3y ago
  "Wouldn't this mean that capital is flowing in..." Not really. If the price of shares in your company goes up it doesn't mean you have more cash in your pocket. You would need to sell shares or issue additional shares to have more cash to pay people with. There's other ways an increased price could be beneficial of course.
- cageface 3y ago
  Good question. My theory is that companies overhired during the pandemic and are now correcting. AI is another wildcard. It remains to be seen exactly how much it will reduce the demand for developers but it seems very likely to at a minimum cut into the entry level job market.
- egman_ekki 3y ago
  Not necessarily. Layoffs mean higher profit margins and that often leads to an increase in stock price as it means higher potential payout for shareholders.

The trend here is unmistakeable: https://hnhiring.com/trends https://hnhiring.com/trends Only one source of course, but I think it's indicative of the state of the overall market.

jvanderbot 3y ago

It's quite a bit slower than the peak in 2022-ish, just from my anecdata

mc32 3y ago

I agree and it's not only tech, but other areas as well. It's not easy. Whereas before in many cases hiring mgrs would settle for the top of middling candidates, right now because they have so many good quality candidates to choose from, they are being choosey. I know experienced people who previously would be getting recruited now have to search much longer and also settle for lesser jobs.

whiterknight 3y ago

Thanks, that’s much more helpful than the article.

patresh 3y ago

How can one explain the graph you linked given the recent bull market in stocks? Wouldn't this mean that capital is flowing in which should lead to more hiring? Is the job market response delayed or are there other factors?

lazide 3y ago
Stock market pricing also tends to follow inflation expectations. Every time inflation is expected to increase, stock market tends to go up. Not necessarily because ‘more inflation adjusted dollars’ but because ‘same thing will be worth more dollars, after inflation’.
anotherhue 3y ago
The old addage is that the stock market is not the economy.
perfectspiral 3y ago
"Wouldn't this mean that capital is flowing in..." Not really. If the price of shares in your company goes up it doesn't mean you have more cash in your pocket. You would need to sell shares or issue additional shares to have more cash to pay people with. There's other ways an increased price could be beneficial of course.
cageface 3y ago
Good question. My theory is that companies overhired during the pandemic and are now correcting. AI is another wildcard. It remains to be seen exactly how much it will reduce the demand for developers but it seems very likely to at a minimum cut into the entry level job market.
egman_ekki 3y ago
Not necessarily. Layoffs mean higher profit margins and that often leads to an increase in stock price as it means higher potential payout for shareholders.