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We're not talking about software engineers, we're talking about research scientist and engineers lured away from academia to work in the private sector. To your

by ajcp 3y ago

We're not talking about software engineers, we're talking about research scientist and engineers lured away from academia to work in the private sector. To your point I agree and don't know of any software engineer aspirant who thinks they need even a 4+1. But again, that's not the demographic we're discussing. There's a reason SV is hiring out of academia: because they can't hire the same minds out of a 4-year program, and certainly not off the street. In this case it shows the value of those programs that got them there, so for these former academics to report, as OP is suggesting, that it was a waste of time/money seems to hold no logic.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>There's a reason SV is hiring out of academia: because they can't hire the same minds out of a 4-year program, and certainly not off the stree I half agree. The degree holds some value (and for some schools they can even influence the curriculum to their needs), but value proposition comes more from a supply of people who 1) have sole semblance of fundamentals 2) an ability to see a long term study through (which is why every job, even many that don't need a degree, put up a Bachelors as a requirement when supply > demand) and most importantly, 3) aren't a training cost for the company itself. I'm sure well chosen apprentice could be trained by a company for a single year and would be comparably productive to any new grad, but no one really wants to train talent directly. With academia right there there is no need to, at best you have a set, 3 month internship to Gauge value. It's the economically best decision (arguably. If everyone wants to make offers of 200k to a top student instead of pay 80k for an apprenticeship, is it truly worth it?), but not necessarily the best from a company quality standpoint. But we know which of those 2 win out 9/10 times.

by ajcp 3y ago

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>There's a reason SV is hiring out of academia: because they can't hire the same minds out of a 4-year program, and certainly not off the stree I half agree. The degree holds some value (and for some schools they can even influence the curriculum to their needs), but value proposition comes more from a supply of people who 1) have sole semblance of fundamentals 2) an ability to see a long term study through (which is why every job, even many that don't need a degree, put up a Bachelors as a requirement when supply > demand) and most importantly, 3) aren't a training cost for the company itself. I'm sure well chosen apprentice could be trained by a company for a single year and would be comparably productive to any new grad, but no one really wants to train talent directly. With academia right there there is no need to, at best you have a set, 3 month internship to Gauge value. It's the economically best decision (arguably. If everyone wants to make offers of 200k to a top student instead of pay 80k for an apprenticeship, is it truly worth it?), but not necessarily the best from a company quality standpoint. But we know which of those 2 win out 9/10 times.