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> Why doesn't the same logic apply to people who don't like the high prices of housing in some areas? Because the cities in question green lit the office build

> Why doesn't the same logic apply to people who don't like the high prices of housing in some areas? Because the cities in question green lit the office buildings that have the job I need. If a city chooses to grow its economy, it has an obligation to allow enough housing for those new people.

zdragnar 3y ago
Plenty of people (dare I say a majority?) commute to cities without living in them, and that often has nothing to do with the cost of housing and more personal preference. I, for one, don't want to be forced to move every time I change jobs. I would much rather have the opportunity to take jobs in near by communities as well (assuming I didn't work from home of course).
- cheriot 3y ago
  It's possible this conversation about housing is not [yet] relevant to your area. By city I mean metro area, not the municipal boundaries. There's a predictable path: 1. city keeps adding dense office buildings 2. city and suburbs resist new housing 3. new housing is greenfield development outside the existing suburbs I'll pause here to point out the resulting trend: average commutes get longer because the people in the new housing are driving more miles each day than existing residents. Traffic is a function of miles driven. So traffic is super linear on growth. 4. housing closest to offices become extremely expensive [rich people will pay to save time] and existing residents have longer commutes because of increased traffic 5. make the roads wider 6. 5 doesn't work because of the super linear relationship https://plazaperspective.com/road-widening/ https://plazaperspective.com/road-widening/ 7. homelessness increases because housing that use to be cheap is now renovated for people that want to live closer to work Now you're Austin passing the same sit-lie law in 2021 that didn't work in San Francisco in 2010 Austin https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/new-play-gives-a-first-hand-account-of-austins-no-sitno-lie-law/ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/new-play-gives-a-first... SF https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/What-happened-to-SF-s-controversial-sit-lie-13303216.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/What-happened-to-SF-s... Commuting into a city is a thing everywhere. But the American "sprawl forever" model has broken down in the places that have grown the most in the last ~30 years. It screws the people with extremely long commutes, the homeless, the people spending the majority of their paycheck on housing, the people want to have kids but can't afford to, etcs

zdragnar 3y ago

Plenty of people (dare I say a majority?) commute to cities without living in them, and that often has nothing to do with the cost of housing and more personal preference. I, for one, don't want to be forced to move every time I change jobs. I would much rather have the opportunity to take jobs in near by communities as well (assuming I didn't work from home of course).

cheriot 3y ago
It's possible this conversation about housing is not [yet] relevant to your area. By city I mean metro area, not the municipal boundaries. There's a predictable path: 1. city keeps adding dense office buildings 2. city and suburbs resist new housing 3. new housing is greenfield development outside the existing suburbs I'll pause here to point out the resulting trend: average commutes get longer because the people in the new housing are driving more miles each day than existing residents. Traffic is a function of miles driven. So traffic is super linear on growth. 4. housing closest to offices become extremely expensive [rich people will pay to save time] and existing residents have longer commutes because of increased traffic 5. make the roads wider 6. 5 doesn't work because of the super linear relationship https://plazaperspective.com/road-widening/ https://plazaperspective.com/road-widening/ 7. homelessness increases because housing that use to be cheap is now renovated for people that want to live closer to work Now you're Austin passing the same sit-lie law in 2021 that didn't work in San Francisco in 2010 Austin https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/new-play-gives-a-first-hand-account-of-austins-no-sitno-lie-law/ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/new-play-gives-a-first... SF https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/What-happened-to-SF-s-controversial-sit-lie-13303216.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/What-happened-to-SF-s... Commuting into a city is a thing everywhere. But the American "sprawl forever" model has broken down in the places that have grown the most in the last ~30 years. It screws the people with extremely long commutes, the homeless, the people spending the majority of their paycheck on housing, the people want to have kids but can't afford to, etcs