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I'm sorry... this is ridiculous. I'm not vaccine-heavy (like I don't really think you need a chickenpox vaccine or a rotavirus vaccine if you're healthy or a He

I'm sorry... this is ridiculous. I'm not vaccine-heavy (like I don't really think you need a chickenpox vaccine or a rotavirus vaccine if you're healthy or a Hep B vaccine at birth if you're low risk), but the idea of forgoing vaccines for illnesses like polio is just stupid. Too many kids died or were disabled for this. It's just stupid. The injectable vaccine is safe and has been used for decades. There should really be no objection to it. The oral ones are a different story and I wouldn't let my kid anywhere near those (too high a risk of polio)

t0bia_s 3y ago
Cutter incident - The mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus. Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.[2] The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories
- anon291 3y ago
  I already addressed this concern. I am categorically against live polio vaccines. Thankfully, today, only the oral one is live. There is no longer live injectible vaccine. The inactivated injectible vaccine is very safe. You reference an incident from 1955 when injectible vaccines were similar to oral ones today. Don't take these. Luckily, in 2024, you don't have to. It is irresponsible TODAY to not get vaccinated. None of what I wrote above applies to 1955. You're smarter than this.
  - t0bia_s 3y ago
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    - ikrenji 3y ago
      so? if they stop vaccinating it WILL come back. FAST. also the ONLY way to eradicate an infectious disease is through vaccination. even then we only manage to do it once with smallpox
      - t0bia_s 3y ago
        You ignore hygiene and wealth that rised up significantly over the world during last century. All polio cases today are in countries where it is not common or even possible to wash hands regularly. It wonders me why we are able to give them milion doses of vaccines but there is not same attitude with drinking water?
        ikrenji 3y ago
        hand washing won't protect you from neither measles nor polio. a vaccine will
        t0bia_s 3y ago
        It's not only way, sure. But have huge impact. As well as access to clean drinking water. Polio occurs naturally only in humans. It is highly infectious, and is spread from person to person either through fecal–oral transmission[1][6] (e.g. poor hygiene, or by ingestion of food or water contaminated by human feces), or via the oral–oral route. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
        ikrenji 3y ago
        even in countries with good hygiene and clean water ~ 1st world countries ~ when vaccination rates dip because of anti science anti vaxx nonsense, you get outbreaks of measles, rsv, whooping cough you name it. i don't understand why anyone would prefer to let their childs body be ravaged by all kinds of exotic viruses rather than protect them with the generally gentle and safe vaccines
  - BitwiseFool 3y ago
    >"You're smarter than this." Regardless of how correct you are, or how persuasive you might have been up to this point, uttering this accomplishes nothing and is entirely counterproductive.
samstave 3y ago
I'm not anti-vax, though but my daughter actually got chicken pox from the vaccine. It sucked - we had to get her vaccined to fly back east, so we did... flew and it was supposed to be a trip to chicago zoo but she got CP then night we got there and spent a couple days in the hotel bath with calamine. I got the chicken pox twice. Once at 6 months. and at 14y.

t0bia_s 3y ago

Cutter incident - The mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus. Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.[2] The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories

anon291 3y ago
I already addressed this concern. I am categorically against live polio vaccines. Thankfully, today, only the oral one is live. There is no longer live injectible vaccine. The inactivated injectible vaccine is very safe. You reference an incident from 1955 when injectible vaccines were similar to oral ones today. Don't take these. Luckily, in 2024, you don't have to. It is irresponsible TODAY to not get vaccinated. None of what I wrote above applies to 1955. You're smarter than this.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
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  - ikrenji 3y ago
    so? if they stop vaccinating it WILL come back. FAST. also the ONLY way to eradicate an infectious disease is through vaccination. even then we only manage to do it once with smallpox
    - t0bia_s 3y ago
      You ignore hygiene and wealth that rised up significantly over the world during last century. All polio cases today are in countries where it is not common or even possible to wash hands regularly. It wonders me why we are able to give them milion doses of vaccines but there is not same attitude with drinking water?
      - ikrenji 3y ago
        hand washing won't protect you from neither measles nor polio. a vaccine will
        t0bia_s 3y ago
        It's not only way, sure. But have huge impact. As well as access to clean drinking water. Polio occurs naturally only in humans. It is highly infectious, and is spread from person to person either through fecal–oral transmission[1][6] (e.g. poor hygiene, or by ingestion of food or water contaminated by human feces), or via the oral–oral route. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
        ikrenji 3y ago
        even in countries with good hygiene and clean water ~ 1st world countries ~ when vaccination rates dip because of anti science anti vaxx nonsense, you get outbreaks of measles, rsv, whooping cough you name it. i don't understand why anyone would prefer to let their childs body be ravaged by all kinds of exotic viruses rather than protect them with the generally gentle and safe vaccines
- BitwiseFool 3y ago
  >"You're smarter than this." Regardless of how correct you are, or how persuasive you might have been up to this point, uttering this accomplishes nothing and is entirely counterproductive.

samstave 3y ago

I'm not anti-vax, though but my daughter actually got chicken pox from the vaccine. It sucked - we had to get her vaccined to fly back east, so we did... flew and it was supposed to be a trip to chicago zoo but she got CP then night we got there and spent a couple days in the hotel bath with calamine. I got the chicken pox twice. Once at 6 months. and at 14y.