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How Arnold Schoenberg changed Hollywood
- mihaic 3y agoThe more I dug into it, the more movie soundtracks were all rooted in the Vienna scene, with Wagner at the base. Max Steiner and Erich Korngold are for me better examples of this influence, since Steiner in particular pretty much invented the first modern film score with King Kong.
- AlbertCory 3y agoVery slightly relevant, since he IS a film scorer: Danny Elfman, he of Oingo Boingo as well as film music, wrote a violin concerto and has a concert in San Jose in a few weeks: https://www.dannyelfman.com/events-posts/san-jose-ca-violin-concerto https://www.dannyelfman.com/events-posts/san-jose-ca-violin-... Interesting question: what's more common, classical --> pop, or the other direction? Before you answer too quickly: Paul McCartney Billie Joel Stewart Copeland Danny Elfman But anyway, probably classical --> pop is more common.
- staplers 3y agoI'd guess a similar artist --> designer flow as one is more lucrative financially. Follow the money as they say.
- dredmorbius 3y agoI suspect based simply on number of musicians, it's opposite. Many popular-music performers and songwriters have classical training, and take on classical themes. Classical music is single-digit shares of total music industry revenues, around 1--3%.[1] That said, music is a form of communication, and there is and always has been a tremendous amount of cross-fertilisation and inspiration from other forms, whether you're talking traditional melodies adopted in classical composition (Dvorak's Slavonic dances, for example), Gershwin adopting jazz (Rhapsody in Blue) or western music (Copeland in Rodeo), or popular music taking up themes from classical works (Sting's "I hope the Russians Love Their Children Too" quoting Prokovief's Lieutenant Kije, the Beatles quoting Beathoven's "Ode to Joy" in "All You Need is Love", and Led Zepplin's quoting from Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" in "Kashmir"). As well as, of course, wholesale popular adaptations of classical music and vice versa, and performing and composing in different genres. ____________________________ Notes: 1. <https://medium.com/@AmericanPublicU/popular-classical-music-how-popular-is-classical-music-part-ii-4040456752db https://medium.com/@AmericanPublicU/popular-classical-music-...>
- grumpyprole 3y agoKorngold Symphony 1 in F# Major, the 2nd movement really sounds like John Williams when the horns come in.
- bjornlouser 3y agohttps://youtu.be/N8mI6MvsWZA?si=vf6L1AC_Y4vRZBXg&t=1080 https://youtu.be/N8mI6MvsWZA?si=vf6L1AC_Y4vRZBXg&t=1080 Also, Hanson's 2nd Symphony, 3rd Movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abKXHeG0u6I&t=1267s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abKXHeG0u6I&t=1267s
- microtherion 3y agoIt seems that while Schoenberg was highly respected by fellow professionals, he had a somewhat more difficult time with executives. There's an anecdote that some influential admirers got Schoenberg an audience with Louis B. Mayer, who received him, saying: „I'm a great admirer of your lovely music.“ Schoenberg answered „My music ISN'T lovely“, and stormed out of the meeting.
- ecoquant 3y agoThat is great anecdote. I have been trying to get into Schoenberg for about 30 years now and besides for Yuja Wang playing his Piano Suite I continue to fail.
- nescioquid 3y agoThe thing that interests me in your comment is why would you try for thirty years to "get into" something? Or do you mean you don't much care for his music, but no rush in jumping to conclusions... Do you care for Berg or Webern, by any chance? (Or Stravinsky's serial music for that matter)
- prewett 3y agoI'm not surprised. If I understand his 12-tone system correctly, you need to use each tone equally frequently throughout the piece. But that is the musical equivalent of white noise, or the the equivalent of saying that a novel needs to use all words equally frequently. In order to convey information the content needs to be distinctly more frequent.
- jjgreen 3y agoTry Violin Concerto, Op. 36 by Hilary Hahn & the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra
- spindle 3y agohttps://archive.md/iGI5A https://archive.md/iGI5A
- romeros 3y agoMy brain auto corrected it to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sometimes I wonder if the human brain is just another LLM.
- eep_social 3y agoMine as well. I had 3/4 of a story written out to my mental scratch pad before this comment even loaded.
- krapp 3y agoNo, because you have the self-awareness to understand your mistake in context, rather than accepting "Arnold Schwarzenegger" because the syntax of the statement is still valid.
- MichaelMoser123 3y ago> Sometimes I wonder if the human brain is just another LLM The brain is a lot about predicting situations/telling you what comes next and how to adjust your behavior to that prediction - i guess that is the common part with the LLM. The difference is that the LLM is predicting the most likely word, while the brain is matching a given situation/frame to your knowledge and past experience - it's about understanding stuff on a different level. what i still don't get is how predicting the next word can come up with an answer that actually makes sense most of the time, that came as a big surprise to me...
- romeros 3y agoI also wonder if it surprised even the AI Researchers/Developers working on OpenAI. Maybe they were just trying to tweak things and it surprisingly turned out bigger than they had imagined.
- MichaelMoser123 3y agoI had an interesting conversation with google bard/gemini about this topic. Here is the link to the conversation: https://g.co/gemini/share/67da9e441ad9 https://g.co/gemini/share/67da9e441ad9 Fascinating stuff... my notes of what i am learning in the process of these discussions: https://github.com/MoserMichael/my-notes/blob/master/talking-with-chatgtp-b.md https://github.com/MoserMichael/my-notes/blob/master/talking...
- MichaelMoser123 3y agoi got the impression that atonal music is less commonly used in recent movies, past decades made more use of it, is that true? Now they still use it at moments of tension, but less frequently in other scenes. i wonder if that is done in order to appeal/be accessible to a younger audience (that's where the movie going audience is)
- mpalmer 3y agoI was going to bring up Jonny Greenwood's great score for There Will Be Blood and then remembered it was released nearly two decades ago. Still, a tremendous modern score that adds immeasurably to the end result. I think quite a lot about movies has changed to appeal to a younger audience.
- te_chris 3y agoThe Oppenheimer score
- fallinditch 3y agoI got into Schoenberg after listening to an amazing electronic album from 2000, Betrieb by Ekkehard Ehlers, in which he repurposes Schoenberg's music (and Ives too). Still sounds incredible after 24 years. https://ekkehardehlers.bandcamp.com/album/betrieb https://ekkehardehlers.bandcamp.com/album/betrieb
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- hackyhacky 3y agoFor what it's worth, his grandson, Randy (mentioned in the article), is a terrible genealogist. He amassed large quantities of unverified data, with dubious sourcing, and passes it off as legit. He also has a reputation in the genealogy community for taking other people's work with credit.