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I don't want to live next to a huge building, so I selected a town where that was not allowed. So don't tell me changing this is a win win for me. It isn't.
by baggy_trough 3y ago
I don't want to live next to a huge building, so I selected a town where that was not allowed. So don't tell me changing this is a win win for me. It isn't.
- jachee 3y agoI’m genuinely curious: Why not? What difference does it make to you what’s next door?
- baggy_trough 3y agosound, privacy, views, for example.
- tptacek 3y agoI'm speaking only to overall property values, because that's the argument I was replying to. I don't care about your preferences.
- baggy_trough 3y agoI am responding to your first sentence, which is "Upzoning is a win-win for existing homeowners", which is not true in general.
- tptacek 3y agoIt is true in the sense that I meant it, about property values.
- lolinder 3y agoNor do you apparently care about the fact that "NIMBYs worry that the mere existence of nearby multifamily will decrease their home value" is a false stereotype. A NIMBY straight-up told you that their motivations are about lifestyle and not money and your response is "I don't care about your preferences".
- ihaveajob 3y agoI suppose you didn't buy the entire town, so you can't preclude your neighbors from wanting their property to appreciate, their lives to become more social, and their environment to change.
- baggy_trough 3y agoThe neighbors collectively agreed to the previous zoning. Now some outside body is forcing that to change.
- tptacek 3y agoOnce upon a time, neighbors also collectively agreed to zone by race and ethnicity, until Buchanan v. Warley in 1917 put an end to that practice and created the minimum-lot-size SFZ proxy system we have today. You can argue persuasively for respecting SFZ, but you probably can't do it from a moral high horse (which is just to say: you can't rest your argument on a moral right).
- singleshot_ 3y agoI’m not sure the implication that those of us who don’t enjoy sharing walls are immoral racists is particularly justified.
- tptacek 3y agoIt's a historical fact. I'm not saying you're a racist. Those zoning ordinances though definitely are.
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- mlsu 3y agoIt's not a win for you then. It is a win for the 100 people who can move into that apartment building. Are you really that important?
- lolinder 3y agoWhat about the 100 people who also owned homes within a few blocks of that apartment building and are also opposed to the change that it brings to the neighborhood? Zoning laws don't exist because of one loudmouth, they exist because solid majorities of the people who live in a given area like having them.
- tptacek 3y agoIn your example, your side is outnumbered by the residents of a single apartment building. This whole thread is kind of silly, in that high-density apartments aren't what's going to get built on SFZ blocks in cities and inner-ring suburbs; 3-flats are.