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As a European that has been dealing with what US social media companies have been doing, I am enjoying how the US is loosing their absolute mind when an externa

As a European that has been dealing with what US social media companies have been doing, I am enjoying how the US is loosing their absolute mind when an external company does the same they do to us.

omginternets 3y ago
Perhaps the EU might consider defending the sovereignty of its constituent states? That might even put a dent in Euroskepticism. I will never understand your particular brand of whataboutism.
- sschueller 3y ago
  The people calling out "whataboutism" are the same people that constantly complain about other people's shit stinking when their own shit stinks just as bad.
alephnerd 3y ago
Feel free to start your own platform. VK has been the primary platform in the CIS for over a decade now at this point. And even Signal was started in the US.
sakras 3y ago
The difference is that if a European social media company wanted to operate in the US, it's welcome to. With China it's a different story - they can operate in our market but we can't operate in theirs.
- drekk 3y ago
  You absolutely can operate in the Chinese market. There are Chinese regulations, and companies like Meta are unwilling to abide by them because the data they're harvesting is the only product.
xtracto 3y ago
As a Mexican, I find this actions from the US to try to maintain the "Pax Americana" Imperialism quite interesting. People in US centric forums like HN, Reddit, Slashdot, etc just cannot understand or see it, and it's OK; it is their country and their ideals. They are allowed to unequivocally take their country side. But for uninterested 3rd parties, it's quite entertaining the bitchslap games that China and the US play with these sort of policies (Google ban, tiktok ban, etc).
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- somenameforme 3y ago
  I suspect the issue is much more petty than some grand ideological drive. Very recently Biden made a TikTok account and his team tried their best to create some sort of platform appropriate undoubtedly focus tested messaging. It went about as well as anybody would expect. [1] Now a few weeks later, the platform's getting banned. We sure do always come up with great and grand sounding reasons for everything though, at least to an American ear. It's only once your cynicism hits ridiculous levels that everything starts to suddenly make so much more sense. [1] - https://www.wired.com/story/joe-biden-tiktok-campaign-comments/ https://www.wired.com/story/joe-biden-tiktok-campaign-commen...
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freedomben 3y ago
Can you clarify what it is that the US social media companies are doing to Europe? For example are you saying that they are showing content to European youth to sow discord or something like that, or are you only talking about the data collection/mining?
- sschueller 3y ago
  The exact same thing the US is worried about with tiktok. Data collection and the ability for the government to gain access to this data without a warent. Also lack of transparency regarding the algorithms which are built to cause maximum reaction / interaction which leads to radicalism. Facebook was famously implicated in the genocide against the Rohingya ethnic minority in Myanmar.
TMWNN 3y ago
If TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place. >does the same they do to us So you're saying that the US ought to be on your country's equivalent of the US government's "foreign adversaries" list <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_adversaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_adversar...>, which includes China, that the proposed bill specifically targets? That's fine. I guess you won't have any objections to the US leaving NATO since you wouldn't want your country/continent to be in a military alliance with such a country.

As a European that has been dealing with what US social media companies have been doing, I am enjoying how the US is loosing their absolute mind when an external company does the same they do to us.

omginternets 3y ago

Perhaps the EU might consider defending the sovereignty of its constituent states? That might even put a dent in Euroskepticism. I will never understand your particular brand of whataboutism.

sschueller 3y ago
The people calling out "whataboutism" are the same people that constantly complain about other people's shit stinking when their own shit stinks just as bad.

alephnerd 3y ago

Feel free to start your own platform. VK has been the primary platform in the CIS for over a decade now at this point. And even Signal was started in the US.

sakras 3y ago

The difference is that if a European social media company wanted to operate in the US, it's welcome to. With China it's a different story - they can operate in our market but we can't operate in theirs.

drekk 3y ago
You absolutely can operate in the Chinese market. There are Chinese regulations, and companies like Meta are unwilling to abide by them because the data they're harvesting is the only product.

xtracto 3y ago

As a Mexican, I find this actions from the US to try to maintain the "Pax Americana" Imperialism quite interesting. People in US centric forums like HN, Reddit, Slashdot, etc just cannot understand or see it, and it's OK; it is their country and their ideals. They are allowed to unequivocally take their country side. But for uninterested 3rd parties, it's quite entertaining the bitchslap games that China and the US play with these sort of policies (Google ban, tiktok ban, etc).

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somenameforme 3y ago
I suspect the issue is much more petty than some grand ideological drive. Very recently Biden made a TikTok account and his team tried their best to create some sort of platform appropriate undoubtedly focus tested messaging. It went about as well as anybody would expect. [1] Now a few weeks later, the platform's getting banned. We sure do always come up with great and grand sounding reasons for everything though, at least to an American ear. It's only once your cynicism hits ridiculous levels that everything starts to suddenly make so much more sense. [1] - https://www.wired.com/story/joe-biden-tiktok-campaign-comments/ https://www.wired.com/story/joe-biden-tiktok-campaign-commen...
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freedomben 3y ago

Can you clarify what it is that the US social media companies are doing to Europe? For example are you saying that they are showing content to European youth to sow discord or something like that, or are you only talking about the data collection/mining?

sschueller 3y ago
The exact same thing the US is worried about with tiktok. Data collection and the ability for the government to gain access to this data without a warent. Also lack of transparency regarding the algorithms which are built to cause maximum reaction / interaction which leads to radicalism. Facebook was famously implicated in the genocide against the Rohingya ethnic minority in Myanmar.

TMWNN 3y ago

If TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place. >does the same they do to us So you're saying that the US ought to be on your country's equivalent of the US government's "foreign adversaries" list <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_adversaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_adversar...>, which includes China, that the proposed bill specifically targets? That's fine. I guess you won't have any objections to the US leaving NATO since you wouldn't want your country/continent to be in a military alliance with such a country.