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it is a defacto attempt to ban it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Foreign_Adversary_Controlled_Applications_Act https://en.wikipedia.o

it is a defacto attempt to ban it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Foreign_Adversary_Controlled_Applications_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Fore... If ByteDance calls Washingtons bluff --which they very likely will-- it sets the stage for a first amendment case at the supreme court as per Citizens United in 2010, corporate personhood is very much a thing in the US.

strangattractor 3y ago
They will call Washington's bluff because the Chinese Government will tell them to do so. It will not be out of a sense of protecting free speech or desire for the public good - quite the opposite. People seem to forget how Jack Ma virtually disappeared when he bucked the party's orders. Almost half of their users are from of the US. Surely a decentralized version of TikTok can be made to replace them.
- timeon 3y ago
  > It will not be out of a sense of protecting free speech or desire for the public good Arguing out of principle for 'free speech' is often used to defend literal Nazis even. Why couldn't they use it? Especially when corporations are people there.
  - strangattractor 3y ago
    I agree - It is simply my opinion that regardless of the stated public stance the underlying reasons for whatever decision they make will be dictated by the Chinese Government. There is a scene from "Cool Hand Luke" where the Warden instructs Luke "You gonna get your mind right." I think Jack Ma got his mind right. Navalny never quite got his mind right.
SR2Z 3y ago
I doubt that this will go in ByteDance's favor. This is actually an extremely serious national security issue. Given that TikTok acquired Musical.ly, they fall under the purview of CFIUS, an executive branch agency. This legislation is welcome, but not actually necessary since there's already a Constitutionally-tested process for banning foreign companies. If the executive and legislative are in agreement... well, TikTok is not going to be able to ignore that. Foreigners enjoy 1A protections _inside_ the US, but foreign-owned companies are not always entitled to the same protections for exactly these national security reasons.
- hellojesus 3y ago
  > This is actually an extremely serious national security issue. Can anyone pleaese inform me as to how this is actually a national security issue? Americans voluntarily install and consume TikTok content. The government can prohibit this software from government-owned devices, just like any employer could, but to disallow it from the public is bonkers. If the app gets removed from app stores, what will prevent people from side-loading it to circumvent the ban? What happens to me personally if I set up a proxy so you can send and receive info from TikTok through my servers for some small monthly price? I can even publish an app.
empath-nirvana 3y ago
No, it's an attempt to force them to sell it. The us government has zero motivation to ban any social media site.
bensecure 3y ago
the first amendment protects us citizens or those on us soil. The chinese government meets neither of those standards.
Ferret7446 3y ago
It is a defacto attempt to ban it insofar as everyone is defacto admitting that Tik Tok is an arm of the CCP.

strangattractor 3y ago

They will call Washington's bluff because the Chinese Government will tell them to do so. It will not be out of a sense of protecting free speech or desire for the public good - quite the opposite. People seem to forget how Jack Ma virtually disappeared when he bucked the party's orders. Almost half of their users are from of the US. Surely a decentralized version of TikTok can be made to replace them.

timeon 3y ago
> It will not be out of a sense of protecting free speech or desire for the public good Arguing out of principle for 'free speech' is often used to defend literal Nazis even. Why couldn't they use it? Especially when corporations are people there.
- strangattractor 3y ago
  I agree - It is simply my opinion that regardless of the stated public stance the underlying reasons for whatever decision they make will be dictated by the Chinese Government. There is a scene from "Cool Hand Luke" where the Warden instructs Luke "You gonna get your mind right." I think Jack Ma got his mind right. Navalny never quite got his mind right.

SR2Z 3y ago

I doubt that this will go in ByteDance's favor. This is actually an extremely serious national security issue. Given that TikTok acquired Musical.ly, they fall under the purview of CFIUS, an executive branch agency. This legislation is welcome, but not actually necessary since there's already a Constitutionally-tested process for banning foreign companies. If the executive and legislative are in agreement... well, TikTok is not going to be able to ignore that. Foreigners enjoy 1A protections _inside_ the US, but foreign-owned companies are not always entitled to the same protections for exactly these national security reasons.

hellojesus 3y ago
> This is actually an extremely serious national security issue. Can anyone pleaese inform me as to how this is actually a national security issue? Americans voluntarily install and consume TikTok content. The government can prohibit this software from government-owned devices, just like any employer could, but to disallow it from the public is bonkers. If the app gets removed from app stores, what will prevent people from side-loading it to circumvent the ban? What happens to me personally if I set up a proxy so you can send and receive info from TikTok through my servers for some small monthly price? I can even publish an app.

empath-nirvana 3y ago

No, it's an attempt to force them to sell it. The us government has zero motivation to ban any social media site.

bensecure 3y ago

the first amendment protects us citizens or those on us soil. The chinese government meets neither of those standards.

Ferret7446 3y ago

It is a defacto attempt to ban it insofar as everyone is defacto admitting that Tik Tok is an arm of the CCP.