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So if China bans all American literature and news sources, the US should do the same? If China deports all Chinese Americans from their country, should the US d

So if China bans all American literature and news sources, the US should do the same? If China deports all Chinese Americans from their country, should the US do the same?

mschuster91 3y ago
> So if China bans all American literature and news sources, the US should do the same? At least their propaganda outlets, yes. > If China deports all Chinese Americans from their country, should the US do the same? No one is calling for a return to the ugly times of WW2 [1], but banning new immigration outside of asylum claims and especially banning investment into real estate certainly should be on the table. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
- j_maffe 3y ago
  I disagree but I understand where you're coming from. There's an aspect of being an idealist vs being a realist in the final result. Perhaps some sort of balanced strategy is the way to go. Just definitely don't give leeway for governments to do shitty things (to their people and others) just because others are doing it.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    I used to be on the idealist side myself - after all, Germany has been the driving force behind the idea "change (towards democracy) by trade" - but as we've seen with Russia and China, all that did was make us completely dependent on them, and in the case of China the resulting loss of domestic production jobs led to massive issues with "left behind" areas and a loss of trust in democracy itself. In Africa, it's a similar situation - we poured in boatloads of money and aid, in exchange for the demand of a bare minimum of human rights, and now a lot of the countries there are falling to the lure of Russia and China. My personal position is, drop them. Let Russia and China deal with the mess, fail at it, and keep an open invitation once they realize that Chinese imperialism is just as bad as historic Western imperialism.
    - j_maffe 3y ago
      As someone from Africa who's currently studying in Germany, it greatly saddens me that you view the situation this way. I hope you gain a better perspective on the issue and all the suffering there.
chaostheory 3y ago
This isn’t a good analogy. This is about trade and not freedom or rights. The CCP, the owner of TikTok, is neither an individual nor a US citizen.

So if China bans all American literature and news sources, the US should do the same? If China deports all Chinese Americans from their country, should the US do the same?

mschuster91 3y ago

> So if China bans all American literature and news sources, the US should do the same? At least their propaganda outlets, yes. > If China deports all Chinese Americans from their country, should the US do the same? No one is calling for a return to the ugly times of WW2 [1], but banning new immigration outside of asylum claims and especially banning investment into real estate certainly should be on the table. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

j_maffe 3y ago
I disagree but I understand where you're coming from. There's an aspect of being an idealist vs being a realist in the final result. Perhaps some sort of balanced strategy is the way to go. Just definitely don't give leeway for governments to do shitty things (to their people and others) just because others are doing it.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  I used to be on the idealist side myself - after all, Germany has been the driving force behind the idea "change (towards democracy) by trade" - but as we've seen with Russia and China, all that did was make us completely dependent on them, and in the case of China the resulting loss of domestic production jobs led to massive issues with "left behind" areas and a loss of trust in democracy itself. In Africa, it's a similar situation - we poured in boatloads of money and aid, in exchange for the demand of a bare minimum of human rights, and now a lot of the countries there are falling to the lure of Russia and China. My personal position is, drop them. Let Russia and China deal with the mess, fail at it, and keep an open invitation once they realize that Chinese imperialism is just as bad as historic Western imperialism.
  - j_maffe 3y ago
    As someone from Africa who's currently studying in Germany, it greatly saddens me that you view the situation this way. I hope you gain a better perspective on the issue and all the suffering there.

chaostheory 3y ago

This isn’t a good analogy. This is about trade and not freedom or rights. The CCP, the owner of TikTok, is neither an individual nor a US citizen.