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Front-and-center political takes (like a #FreePalestine and blog link at the very top of https://darklang.com/ https://darklang.com/) are not something I expect

Front-and-center political takes (like a #FreePalestine and blog link at the very top of https://darklang.com/ https://darklang.com/) are not something I expect with the software I choose to use. It's a strange thing and makes me less likely to embrace an already risky, experimental software.

bitwize 3y ago
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- monero-xmr 3y ago
  I think reasonable people can disagree and debate about what is happening in Israel. It's not a topic I want a banner splashed across the top when I'm considering a new language or SaaS product.
  - krainboltgreene 3y ago
    The doctrine of not caring what the companies are doing with their time/technology is how we got IBM.
- erulabs 3y ago
  That you assume anyone who is even slightly hesitant to agree with you is a bad person is exactly the reason political statements, as good-intentioned as they may be, put people off. I don’t need an extra risk when choosing a tool. A divisive political statement, like it or not, is an extra risk.
  - zogrodea 3y ago
    I agree with your point in general and dislike political drama which is often a headache, but people are starving and dying and being held hostage out there... so I don't really think this is the time where that sentiment is appropriate. Some decades from now, a gesture like this might be seen as similar to Bram's fundraising for Uganda (Vim's start-up screen) which is worthy of appreciation too. Most likely, a negative reaction to this is because it's an emotionally charged topic in the news and on social media.
- michaelcampbell 3y ago
  One that doesn't like > Front-and-center political takes They said that right up front.
- sherburt3 3y ago
  I'm sure their great people and they're entitled to their opinion, but this language looks like it wants full control of your entire tech stack. And if they one day decided to do some political activism and run malicious code that targets you or delete their codebase, you would be 100% at their mercy. It wouldn't be the first time it happened either, like with the npm libraries left-pad, faker.js, and node-ipc.
  - pbiggar 3y ago
    We're changing the license! Not because of this, but I guess it addresses it.
ignoramous 3y ago
> Front-and-center political takes ... It's a strange thing Nah, it isn't. The same way it isn't strange that Google and Microsoft CEOs repeatedly visit Israel and praise its occupying forces for its "innovations" and "resilience" due to the "unique challenges" their neighbors pose (pay no attention to the oppression), making the desert bloom (pay no attention to the graveyards), providing them with opportunities to invest in the Startup Nation. If not, how many times have you felt "less likely to embrace" software from these companies? > makes me less likely to embrace Completely at ease with actual genocidal rhetoric on Israeli tech twitter (see tweets by PHP's creator Zeev Suraski or by OpenAI's Tal Broda, for example), but a banner for freedom... that's a step too far. Astonishing how things nauseatingly repulsive don't offend but seemingly innocuous things do. Says a lot.

bitwize 3y ago

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monero-xmr 3y ago
I think reasonable people can disagree and debate about what is happening in Israel. It's not a topic I want a banner splashed across the top when I'm considering a new language or SaaS product.
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  The doctrine of not caring what the companies are doing with their time/technology is how we got IBM.
erulabs 3y ago
That you assume anyone who is even slightly hesitant to agree with you is a bad person is exactly the reason political statements, as good-intentioned as they may be, put people off. I don’t need an extra risk when choosing a tool. A divisive political statement, like it or not, is an extra risk.
- zogrodea 3y ago
  I agree with your point in general and dislike political drama which is often a headache, but people are starving and dying and being held hostage out there... so I don't really think this is the time where that sentiment is appropriate. Some decades from now, a gesture like this might be seen as similar to Bram's fundraising for Uganda (Vim's start-up screen) which is worthy of appreciation too. Most likely, a negative reaction to this is because it's an emotionally charged topic in the news and on social media.
michaelcampbell 3y ago
One that doesn't like > Front-and-center political takes They said that right up front.
sherburt3 3y ago
I'm sure their great people and they're entitled to their opinion, but this language looks like it wants full control of your entire tech stack. And if they one day decided to do some political activism and run malicious code that targets you or delete their codebase, you would be 100% at their mercy. It wouldn't be the first time it happened either, like with the npm libraries left-pad, faker.js, and node-ipc.
- pbiggar 3y ago
  We're changing the license! Not because of this, but I guess it addresses it.

ignoramous 3y ago

> Front-and-center political takes ... It's a strange thing Nah, it isn't. The same way it isn't strange that Google and Microsoft CEOs repeatedly visit Israel and praise its occupying forces for its "innovations" and "resilience" due to the "unique challenges" their neighbors pose (pay no attention to the oppression), making the desert bloom (pay no attention to the graveyards), providing them with opportunities to invest in the Startup Nation. If not, how many times have you felt "less likely to embrace" software from these companies? > makes me less likely to embrace Completely at ease with actual genocidal rhetoric on Israeli tech twitter (see tweets by PHP's creator Zeev Suraski or by OpenAI's Tal Broda, for example), but a banner for freedom... that's a step too far. Astonishing how things nauseatingly repulsive don't offend but seemingly innocuous things do. Says a lot.