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But not like the UK and US social housing / projects. They need to be in master planned, well thought out and connected communities.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
I cannot upvote this enough. We ruined today through decades of car centric planning, we have to give the future something better.
- psychlops 3y ago
  This whole chain is a series of ideas that will never happen.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    These are not the vibes I am looking for. If you don’t have hope, what are you even doing?
    - psychlops 3y ago
      Apologies, I hope our next generation of leaders are master planners.
  - cpursley 3y ago
    The issue might get forced if energy prices hit a threshold, debt bomb explodes, etc.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/13/biden-infrastructure-spending-cities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/13/biden-infras... ("Biden pledges billions to rebuild cities ‘torn apart’ by highways decades ago")
Ekaros 3y ago
Mixed use. And also mixing all types of social, free-market rental and owner occupied. Quality for later two could be better, but it should still be next to each other using same services.
KaiserPro 3y ago
> But not like the UK The UK's social housing scheme was/is a stonking success, right up until about 1980. it completely reset the minimum standard of housing from slums to actually decent. It wasn't all a success, skelmersdale and thamesmede sucked balls. The problem with the uk's social housing came as follows: 1) the change from needing a job to have a council house to being a dumping ground for troubled families without support 2) removing the ability of councils to fund new housing 3) overly complex centralised funding of repairs and upkeep 4) selling off housing and then taking the money away that was needed to replace them Thats very different to the "projects"
- cpursley 3y ago
  I don't know the UK situation in much depth but one of the things I read was how they were disconnected from the rest of the community (socially, services, transport, etc).
  - KaiserPro 3y ago
    indeed, some of it was/is. However in london it was (mostly) slammed in on bombsites/ex industrial places: https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/council-releases-map-of-1500-planned-homes-42344 https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/council-releases-map-of... southwark has the most council estates. the further out boroughs did try and put their estates far out. Places like thamesmede (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamesmead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamesmead) failed because there was literally nothing else around (thats improved significantly, 50 years later)

toomuchtodo 3y ago

I cannot upvote this enough. We ruined today through decades of car centric planning, we have to give the future something better.

psychlops 3y ago
This whole chain is a series of ideas that will never happen.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  These are not the vibes I am looking for. If you don’t have hope, what are you even doing?
  - psychlops 3y ago
    Apologies, I hope our next generation of leaders are master planners.
- cpursley 3y ago
  The issue might get forced if energy prices hit a threshold, debt bomb explodes, etc.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/13/biden-infrastructure-spending-cities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/13/biden-infras... ("Biden pledges billions to rebuild cities ‘torn apart’ by highways decades ago")

Ekaros 3y ago

Mixed use. And also mixing all types of social, free-market rental and owner occupied. Quality for later two could be better, but it should still be next to each other using same services.

KaiserPro 3y ago

> But not like the UK The UK's social housing scheme was/is a stonking success, right up until about 1980. it completely reset the minimum standard of housing from slums to actually decent. It wasn't all a success, skelmersdale and thamesmede sucked balls. The problem with the uk's social housing came as follows: 1) the change from needing a job to have a council house to being a dumping ground for troubled families without support 2) removing the ability of councils to fund new housing 3) overly complex centralised funding of repairs and upkeep 4) selling off housing and then taking the money away that was needed to replace them Thats very different to the "projects"

cpursley 3y ago
I don't know the UK situation in much depth but one of the things I read was how they were disconnected from the rest of the community (socially, services, transport, etc).
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  indeed, some of it was/is. However in london it was (mostly) slammed in on bombsites/ex industrial places: https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/council-releases-map-of-1500-planned-homes-42344 https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/council-releases-map-of... southwark has the most council estates. the further out boroughs did try and put their estates far out. Places like thamesmede (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamesmead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamesmead) failed because there was literally nothing else around (thats improved significantly, 50 years later)