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How dare people fight oppression!

by junon 3y ago

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- spencerflem 3y ago
  I hate this argument. Nobody is saying Palestinian citizens are welcoming to gay people. They are saying they do not deserve to be bombed, shot, and starved. That they, as humans, have worth and decency. There are plenty of American citizens unwelcoming to gay people that also do not deserve death.
  - ecmascript 3y ago
    My point is that the oppressor is not israel, it is hamas. You completely missed my actual argument. They wouldn't get shot, bombed and starved if the terror organization of hamas would not start a war. But many palestinians is still supportive of hamas, so they get what they deserve. The sad part is those who lives under the oppressor of hamas and is not supportive of them and suffers daily but as long as the terror group is in power, it will continue to be like that.
- junon 3y ago
  As a gay man, I recognize places like Palestine (and even Ukraine) have issues with homosexuality. So do Israelis in some cases. So do Americans, Germans, Japanese, etc. Anecdotally, Muslims in my life, many of whom have been strangers, have been more tolerant of my sexuality than my own white Christian family has been historically. This comment reads like blanket islamophobia. I say this as a gay atheist. It's a tired argument if you ask me.
  - xinuc 3y ago
    I've visited many muslim countries and know a lot of muslims from different regions, so believe me: most muslims just don't care if you're gay or straight. Just don't flaunt it in front of people's face, you're gold.
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  - ecmascript 3y ago
    The difference is that you can live a normal life in the western part of the world where as in palestine you would be dead. In the west, if you get harassed because of your sexuality you can take legal action against them. That is not possible in most middle eastern countries because your sexuality is the thing that is illegal and even if you were harassed in reality you would be the one being persecuted. Of course you would experience more issues at home, because that is where you live. But I dare you to go to a middle eastern country if it's so safe. Stay there for a couple of months and tell me how much of an islamophobe I am. It's not islamophobia if it is the reality. Your kind of type of argument reminds me of my chickens, they have no survival instinct and barely run away from my dog that tries to eat them. This is what the safety of the west have turn people into in my opinion.

How dare people fight oppression!

by junon 3y ago

How dare people fight oppression!

ecmascript 3y ago

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spencerflem 3y ago
I hate this argument. Nobody is saying Palestinian citizens are welcoming to gay people. They are saying they do not deserve to be bombed, shot, and starved. That they, as humans, have worth and decency. There are plenty of American citizens unwelcoming to gay people that also do not deserve death.
- ecmascript 3y ago
  My point is that the oppressor is not israel, it is hamas. You completely missed my actual argument. They wouldn't get shot, bombed and starved if the terror organization of hamas would not start a war. But many palestinians is still supportive of hamas, so they get what they deserve. The sad part is those who lives under the oppressor of hamas and is not supportive of them and suffers daily but as long as the terror group is in power, it will continue to be like that.
junon 3y ago
As a gay man, I recognize places like Palestine (and even Ukraine) have issues with homosexuality. So do Israelis in some cases. So do Americans, Germans, Japanese, etc. Anecdotally, Muslims in my life, many of whom have been strangers, have been more tolerant of my sexuality than my own white Christian family has been historically. This comment reads like blanket islamophobia. I say this as a gay atheist. It's a tired argument if you ask me.
- xinuc 3y ago
  I've visited many muslim countries and know a lot of muslims from different regions, so believe me: most muslims just don't care if you're gay or straight. Just don't flaunt it in front of people's face, you're gold.
  - ecmascript 3y ago
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    - xinuc 3y ago
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- ecmascript 3y ago
  The difference is that you can live a normal life in the western part of the world where as in palestine you would be dead. In the west, if you get harassed because of your sexuality you can take legal action against them. That is not possible in most middle eastern countries because your sexuality is the thing that is illegal and even if you were harassed in reality you would be the one being persecuted. Of course you would experience more issues at home, because that is where you live. But I dare you to go to a middle eastern country if it's so safe. Stay there for a couple of months and tell me how much of an islamophobe I am. It's not islamophobia if it is the reality. Your kind of type of argument reminds me of my chickens, they have no survival instinct and barely run away from my dog that tries to eat them. This is what the safety of the west have turn people into in my opinion.