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This is a very nice summary of what I was feeling but couldn't find words for. Those advocating for abolishing timezones are merely shifting one problem to anot

This is a very nice summary of what I was feeling but couldn't find words for. Those advocating for abolishing timezones are merely shifting one problem to another, without any obvious advantages which can overcome the obvious disadvantages.

bluefirebrand 3y ago
Things like "when do people start work in Brisbane" is not universal across all people in Brisbane, knowing "on average when do people start work in Brisbane" is not terribly useful Today, if you need to contact a business in Brisbane, you start by looking up their hours, then you convert timezones, then you plan your contact Without timezones, you no longer need the second step. Similarly if you are planning a meeting with someone in Brisban you can just say "Does tomorrow between 4 and 8 work for you", with no timezones involved Honestly seems like an obvious advantage to me
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  But what about local Bisbanians? They have lived their whole life with a certain timetable. And now suddenly you want to impose a new timetable on them? For what benefit? So far, I used to think that people were joking when they advocated abolishing timezones. Now that it seems some are actually serious, then I have a serious question - how do you plan to convince the local population to adopt a completely new time? For example, I am in SFBA and if there is a vote to shift our time by 8hrs to align with UTC (global timezone), I would vote no. I don't see any benefit in shifting my day by 8hrs and instead of sleeping from 10 to 6, start sleeping from 6 to 2. Oh wait, or would it be 2 to 10? Ah nevermind, too complicated. Let's just continue my current lifestyle because the cost of switch is too high for no obvious benefit to me.
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    Somehow I think if your phone and computer updated automatically to the new timezone, and your boss told you what time to get to the office the next day, you'd somehow figure it out without much trouble. People do this every single day when they travel, and many places already do this twice a year with daylight saving time shifts It would feel weird for a while for people no doubt but times already are arbitrary anyways. Why does it matter if you sleep from 1-9 or 13-21?
    - RestlessMind 3y ago
      > you'd somehow figure it out without much trouble No it would still be a tremendous hassle. I have a much larger life than my phone, computer and boss. Like, kids - explaining to them the new time change and teaching a whole new schedule ("start bedtime routine at 4:30 instead of 8:30pm") alone would make me vote against this change. > Why does it matter if you sleep from 1-9 or 13-21? Because you haven't told me what's the benefit if I do that.

bluefirebrand 3y ago

Things like "when do people start work in Brisbane" is not universal across all people in Brisbane, knowing "on average when do people start work in Brisbane" is not terribly useful Today, if you need to contact a business in Brisbane, you start by looking up their hours, then you convert timezones, then you plan your contact Without timezones, you no longer need the second step. Similarly if you are planning a meeting with someone in Brisban you can just say "Does tomorrow between 4 and 8 work for you", with no timezones involved Honestly seems like an obvious advantage to me

RestlessMind 3y ago
But what about local Bisbanians? They have lived their whole life with a certain timetable. And now suddenly you want to impose a new timetable on them? For what benefit? So far, I used to think that people were joking when they advocated abolishing timezones. Now that it seems some are actually serious, then I have a serious question - how do you plan to convince the local population to adopt a completely new time? For example, I am in SFBA and if there is a vote to shift our time by 8hrs to align with UTC (global timezone), I would vote no. I don't see any benefit in shifting my day by 8hrs and instead of sleeping from 10 to 6, start sleeping from 6 to 2. Oh wait, or would it be 2 to 10? Ah nevermind, too complicated. Let's just continue my current lifestyle because the cost of switch is too high for no obvious benefit to me.
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  Somehow I think if your phone and computer updated automatically to the new timezone, and your boss told you what time to get to the office the next day, you'd somehow figure it out without much trouble. People do this every single day when they travel, and many places already do this twice a year with daylight saving time shifts It would feel weird for a while for people no doubt but times already are arbitrary anyways. Why does it matter if you sleep from 1-9 or 13-21?
  - RestlessMind 3y ago
    > you'd somehow figure it out without much trouble No it would still be a tremendous hassle. I have a much larger life than my phone, computer and boss. Like, kids - explaining to them the new time change and teaching a whole new schedule ("start bedtime routine at 4:30 instead of 8:30pm") alone would make me vote against this change. > Why does it matter if you sleep from 1-9 or 13-21? Because you haven't told me what's the benefit if I do that.