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I submitted that one earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39691783 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39691783 This one got points slightly more qui

I submitted that one earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39691783 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39691783 This one got points slightly more quickly for whatever reason. Usually in these cases of duplicate submissions dang will merge the stories together. To the DeepMind team I would say that a snappy summary accompanied by a video at the very top of the page instead of a bunch of whitespace and a static image you have to scroll past would likely help the blog post be more viral, as this tweet demonstrates.

pvg 3y ago
I submitted that one earlier With a made up title which you should avoid, it's in the thing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- modeless 3y ago
  Generally I editorialize the title when I make submissions in the "new" queue if the actual title is very dry. If I had posted the actual title of the blog post it would be even farther behind the tweet version. I may update the title now that it's on the front page, unless dang does it first.
  - pvg 3y ago
    Right, except the guidelines ask you to not-do exactly that and you shouldn't.
    - modeless 3y ago
      The guidelines are not all hard and fast rules. Dang has explained in comment threads (that I don't have a link to right now) that editorializing titles is actually OK in some situations. Obviously the title should not be false or clickbait, which my title was not.
      - pvg 3y ago
        No, it's the other way round. It's only ok to change it if it's misleading or clickbait, otherwise use original. You can't editorialize titles if they are not clickbait or misleading and the original wasn't. please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. There are regular moderation comments about it, they just say the opposite of what you think they say https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20editorialize&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        modeless 3y ago
        Again, this guideline is not a hard and fast rule. Those moderation comments you link to are for the very common case of posters adding their own strong opinions to article titles. The title I chose had no opinion and was merely a factual description of the article content. I'm afraid I won't be able to find dang's explanation of why it's sometimes OK to use different titles because it's drowned in the sea of moderation comments for egregious clickbait and highly opinionated submission titles.
        pvg 3y ago
        No, editorializing is adding your opinion about what's important. You don't get to do that in a title, you can do that in a comment. That's exactly what those comments say. This particular thing is a pretty settled practice. Notice how the title was fixed. Because it was a bad title.
        modeless 3y ago
        I changed it myself. Once the story is out of the "new" queue, having a snappy title is less important. I still did not use the exact article title as I think the content is better represented this way.
        pvg 3y ago
        Adding 'snappy titles' to boost your submissions is exactly what the guideline asks you not to do. I'm not sure how it can be more straightforward or less prone to your misinterpretation.
dang 3y ago
I don't want to pile on in this subthread, just want to say that the reason I changed the URL on the current thread rather than re-upping your post (as we normally would when the better URL was posted by someone else earlier) is that it was the OP's first submission to HN and I like to encourage newer participants.
- modeless 3y ago
  Oh, that's interesting! Thanks, I'm happy to let someone else have the karma. I think in this case the tweet linked by OP was genuinely a good submission because it got to the point much faster than the blog post and directly linked to the blog post for people interested in the details.

pvg 3y ago

I submitted that one earlier With a made up title which you should avoid, it's in the thing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

modeless 3y ago
Generally I editorialize the title when I make submissions in the "new" queue if the actual title is very dry. If I had posted the actual title of the blog post it would be even farther behind the tweet version. I may update the title now that it's on the front page, unless dang does it first.
- pvg 3y ago
  Right, except the guidelines ask you to not-do exactly that and you shouldn't.
  - modeless 3y ago
    The guidelines are not all hard and fast rules. Dang has explained in comment threads (that I don't have a link to right now) that editorializing titles is actually OK in some situations. Obviously the title should not be false or clickbait, which my title was not.
    - pvg 3y ago
      No, it's the other way round. It's only ok to change it if it's misleading or clickbait, otherwise use original. You can't editorialize titles if they are not clickbait or misleading and the original wasn't. please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. There are regular moderation comments about it, they just say the opposite of what you think they say https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20editorialize&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - modeless 3y ago
        Again, this guideline is not a hard and fast rule. Those moderation comments you link to are for the very common case of posters adding their own strong opinions to article titles. The title I chose had no opinion and was merely a factual description of the article content. I'm afraid I won't be able to find dang's explanation of why it's sometimes OK to use different titles because it's drowned in the sea of moderation comments for egregious clickbait and highly opinionated submission titles.
        pvg 3y ago
        No, editorializing is adding your opinion about what's important. You don't get to do that in a title, you can do that in a comment. That's exactly what those comments say. This particular thing is a pretty settled practice. Notice how the title was fixed. Because it was a bad title.
        modeless 3y ago
        I changed it myself. Once the story is out of the "new" queue, having a snappy title is less important. I still did not use the exact article title as I think the content is better represented this way.
        pvg 3y ago
        Adding 'snappy titles' to boost your submissions is exactly what the guideline asks you not to do. I'm not sure how it can be more straightforward or less prone to your misinterpretation.

dang 3y ago

I don't want to pile on in this subthread, just want to say that the reason I changed the URL on the current thread rather than re-upping your post (as we normally would when the better URL was posted by someone else earlier) is that it was the OP's first submission to HN and I like to encourage newer participants.

modeless 3y ago
Oh, that's interesting! Thanks, I'm happy to let someone else have the karma. I think in this case the tweet linked by OP was genuinely a good submission because it got to the point much faster than the blog post and directly linked to the blog post for people interested in the details.