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> . Never in computing history has a walled garden like Apple's existed until the iPhone. wot... How was playing that Super Mario Bros with on your Sega Maste

by k_roy 3y ago

> . Never in computing history has a walled garden like Apple's existed until the iPhone. wot... How was playing that Super Mario Bros with on your Sega Master System back in the day? I don't remember Sega having the 10NES subsystem. Ever heard of this little place in the early to mid 90s called AOL? Compuserve? Prodigy? Any cell phone company long before Apple's app store And you act like anyone who has a Kindle or a Nook isn't in a walled garden, at least for 99% of the people who don't know/care that you can install books via Calibre or something. And you know you can sideload apps on Apple devices right? Even before the EU ruling. It was just a massive pain in the ass and drumroll... 99% aren't going to do it. This is not new, Apple wasn't the first to do it, and everybody railing again Apple loves to accept it in basically every other facet of their lives.

smoldesu 3y ago
> This is not new, Apple wasn't the first to do it Microsoft got pretty far, up until "the inquiry". > And you know you can sideload apps on Apple devices right? Even before the EU ruling. If by sideload you mean "repeatedly sign apps until your face turns blue" then yes. If you mean "install software like a normal person", then no.
- k_roy 3y ago
  > If by sideload you mean "repeatedly sign apps until your face turns blue" then yes. If you mean "install software like a normal person", then no. Yep. Exactly. And breaking free of the walled Kindle/Nook garden is similarly out of reach for about the same number of people that don't care about Apple's walled garden, which is the majority. Again, they literally exist in every corner of our lives, and the 99% of consumers/normies don't care.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    If they don't care, then it shouldn't matter that third-party options exist. The same thing happens on Android, nobody uses F-Droid even if the apps are better and cheaper. The fact that it exists puts meaningful pressure on competitors though, and fills the niche that I use the device for. The "walled Kindle/Nook garden" isn't similar Apple's ecosystem. A Kindle or Nook will let you access it's EMMC and put Epub files or PDFs wherever you need to. It functions indistinguishably from a store-bought file and doesn't even make you enable Developer Mode to get there. It's "out of reach" in the sense that you need the skills to follow a Wikihow article to do it - my grandma could figure it out. iPhones don't let you install IPA files on equal-footing as Apple, ever. That's the problem, and it's what the DMA remediates. I don't care how you or the normies feel about it any more than I consider the public sentiment towards Bell telephone or Internet Explorer.
    - averageRoyalty 3y ago
      > It functions indistinguishably from a store-bought file and doesn't even make you enable Developer Mode to get there. This is incorrect. Modern Kindles classify books added as "documents" rather than books, which limits their features and treats them as second class citizens. I doubt most people care, but you're not on equal footing to Amazon loading a book onto a Kindle.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        Oh. My Kindle Touch is coming up on 10 years old, I probably shouldn't assume it's the same for everyone.
wh0knows 3y ago
My primary mechanism to load books on my Kindle is via emailing ePubs, granted, I'm probably in the minority of users but I couldn't ask for an easier workflow.

by k_roy 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago

> This is not new, Apple wasn't the first to do it Microsoft got pretty far, up until "the inquiry". > And you know you can sideload apps on Apple devices right? Even before the EU ruling. If by sideload you mean "repeatedly sign apps until your face turns blue" then yes. If you mean "install software like a normal person", then no.

k_roy 3y ago
> If by sideload you mean "repeatedly sign apps until your face turns blue" then yes. If you mean "install software like a normal person", then no. Yep. Exactly. And breaking free of the walled Kindle/Nook garden is similarly out of reach for about the same number of people that don't care about Apple's walled garden, which is the majority. Again, they literally exist in every corner of our lives, and the 99% of consumers/normies don't care.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  If they don't care, then it shouldn't matter that third-party options exist. The same thing happens on Android, nobody uses F-Droid even if the apps are better and cheaper. The fact that it exists puts meaningful pressure on competitors though, and fills the niche that I use the device for. The "walled Kindle/Nook garden" isn't similar Apple's ecosystem. A Kindle or Nook will let you access it's EMMC and put Epub files or PDFs wherever you need to. It functions indistinguishably from a store-bought file and doesn't even make you enable Developer Mode to get there. It's "out of reach" in the sense that you need the skills to follow a Wikihow article to do it - my grandma could figure it out. iPhones don't let you install IPA files on equal-footing as Apple, ever. That's the problem, and it's what the DMA remediates. I don't care how you or the normies feel about it any more than I consider the public sentiment towards Bell telephone or Internet Explorer.
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    > It functions indistinguishably from a store-bought file and doesn't even make you enable Developer Mode to get there. This is incorrect. Modern Kindles classify books added as "documents" rather than books, which limits their features and treats them as second class citizens. I doubt most people care, but you're not on equal footing to Amazon loading a book onto a Kindle.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Oh. My Kindle Touch is coming up on 10 years old, I probably shouldn't assume it's the same for everyone.

wh0knows 3y ago

My primary mechanism to load books on my Kindle is via emailing ePubs, granted, I'm probably in the minority of users but I couldn't ask for an easier workflow.