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China bans a shitton of Western websites. What's wrong with reciprocating? Free trade should go both ways, shouldn't it? I would definitely be more okay with a

China bans a shitton of Western websites. What's wrong with reciprocating? Free trade should go both ways, shouldn't it? I would definitely be more okay with allowing Chinese websites/apps in the US if China wasn't banning so many Western ones: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_...

grecy 3y ago
I think that is a slippery slope race to the bottom of morals/ideals. Pretty soon you have "China doesn't let people say bad things about their leader, neither should we" and "China uses force to take things from other countries, why shouldn't we" Your ideals and morals should be strong enough they don't change based on a bad actor.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  Ridiculous comparison when we're literally talking about trade with that country. Reciprocal free trade is the principle.
- kyleamazza 3y ago
  I think you totally missed the argument: it's not about copying anything China does, it's about reciprocating restrictions that they place on your country. If China places a tariff on US imported goods, then the US places a tariff on Chinese goods. This is and has been the case even for non-adversary countries, and is bread-and-butter foreign policy
  - grecy 3y ago
    > it's not about copying anything China does, it's about reciprocating restrictions Your justification is literally "They're doing it to us, so we should do it to them". Apply that logic to everything China does. Do you want to behave like them? Wait a few years and it will be about reciprocating other things China does.
    - kyleamazza 3y ago
      Reciprocating tariffs has been a thing for hundreds of years before the US even existed. The justification isn't "they're doing it, so let's just copy them", it's "they're inflicting economic impact on us by reducing the profit of our exports to them, we'll put pressure on them to stop that by reducing the amount that we import for them". It's not simple "but he hit me first" logic: it's macroeconomics with an actual strategy in mind. Reciprocating =/= literal copying.
angio 3y ago
Why would you want to live in a country that bans apps like dictatorships do? I'd rather live in a free country.
- kyleamazza 3y ago
  "Free" doesn't mean no restrictions. For example, apps/websites like Myspace and Facebook and anything that's been used to spread hate, cause bullying, or threats have always been a target of regulation, albeit never an outright ban. In the case here, it's ostensibly being done with national security considerations in mind. What remains to be determined is whether or not these concerns are valid. But the idea that "free" means the government has no power to ban things, including apps, borders naïvety.
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- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about free trade.

grecy 3y ago

I think that is a slippery slope race to the bottom of morals/ideals. Pretty soon you have "China doesn't let people say bad things about their leader, neither should we" and "China uses force to take things from other countries, why shouldn't we" Your ideals and morals should be strong enough they don't change based on a bad actor.

TulliusCicero 3y ago
Ridiculous comparison when we're literally talking about trade with that country. Reciprocal free trade is the principle.
kyleamazza 3y ago
I think you totally missed the argument: it's not about copying anything China does, it's about reciprocating restrictions that they place on your country. If China places a tariff on US imported goods, then the US places a tariff on Chinese goods. This is and has been the case even for non-adversary countries, and is bread-and-butter foreign policy
- grecy 3y ago
  > it's not about copying anything China does, it's about reciprocating restrictions Your justification is literally "They're doing it to us, so we should do it to them". Apply that logic to everything China does. Do you want to behave like them? Wait a few years and it will be about reciprocating other things China does.
  - kyleamazza 3y ago
    Reciprocating tariffs has been a thing for hundreds of years before the US even existed. The justification isn't "they're doing it, so let's just copy them", it's "they're inflicting economic impact on us by reducing the profit of our exports to them, we'll put pressure on them to stop that by reducing the amount that we import for them". It's not simple "but he hit me first" logic: it's macroeconomics with an actual strategy in mind. Reciprocating =/= literal copying.

angio 3y ago

Why would you want to live in a country that bans apps like dictatorships do? I'd rather live in a free country.

kyleamazza 3y ago
"Free" doesn't mean no restrictions. For example, apps/websites like Myspace and Facebook and anything that's been used to spread hate, cause bullying, or threats have always been a target of regulation, albeit never an outright ban. In the case here, it's ostensibly being done with national security considerations in mind. What remains to be determined is whether or not these concerns are valid. But the idea that "free" means the government has no power to ban things, including apps, borders naïvety.
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TulliusCicero 3y ago
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about free trade.