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The article doesn't say they're switching to Max 9 because they care about safety or quality. It says they're switching because Max 10 isn't certified (and pro

The article doesn't say they're switching to Max 9 because they care about safety or quality. It says they're switching because Max 10 isn't certified (and probably won't be any time soon, considering recent events). I read that as they would happily get it but they worry the FAA won't allow it. They're happy to order the Max 9 which had the door problem.

madeofpalk 3y ago
My understanding is that the Max 9 has no inherit door problem, but it had a process/installation that lead to the incident? Boeing has a problem, but not the Max 9?
- mym1990 3y ago
  I would second this. I believe people are bunching a lot of things together: pilot error, maintenance issues, airplane defects into one big "BOEING SUCKS" billboard.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Yeah blame the dead pilot who had to deal with undocumented behaviour for MCAS. Make what happens in Boeing's factory a 'maintenance issue'. It wasn't a job done by Alaska Airlines was it? As a potential passenger on these planes, why do you go along with the passing the blame game?
    - mym1990 3y ago
      I was referencing the United flight last week that landed in Houston and ran off the taxiway into the grass. Nice of you to show your colors though.
      - nottorp 3y ago
        This one? https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618 https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618 Looks to be pilot error. No one discussing Boeing's fundamental flaws is thinking about that one though, but of the 400+ dead because of MCAS. Which has been attributed to pilot error because "3rd world countries".
        mym1990 3y ago
        That’s the one. The MCAS incidents were very clearly faulty processes and software and to have two catastrophic incidents have to happen to get to the cause is tragic. Currently people are latching onto every tidbit that goes wrong on or around a Boeing hull.
        nottorp 3y ago
        'People' should read avherald more often instead of getting their info from sites that are after 'engagement'. Incidentally that site shows how safe flying is on average. 5 incidents daily on 90k passenger flights daily (number pulled out of Gemini's ass) is basically nothing.
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  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    That's some top tier boot licking to blame a dead pilot when the lock up failure was able to be duplicated: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/business/ntsb-probing-stuck-control-incident-on-boeing-737-max/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/business/ntsb-probing-stuck-c...
    - mym1990 3y ago
      I was referencing the United flight last week that landed in Houston and ran off the taxiway into the grass, you complete twat. That's actually a disgusting statement by you.
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- chippiewill 3y ago
  The process problem _was_ specific to the Max 9 however, as it was the only one with a door plug to be incorrectly installed. The Max 8 never has that exit fitted and the Max 10 always has that exit fitted. Max 9 is the only one that can plug it.
Ekaros 3y ago
It really makes whole thing look weird. Isn't Max 10 just bit longer version? So how can one be certified and not the other? And isn't the type rating for flying one same? If they don't make reasonable move now and finally treat them different from past 737s?
- nottorp 3y ago
  > If they don't make reasonable move now and finally treat them different from past 737s? I'm guessing that's what's happening. Or I hope. No more self certifying and waivers.
- error503 3y ago
  There've been so many issues it's definitely getting confusing, but the thing blocking the MAX10 certification is a problem with the engine anti-ice system. You're correct that this problem exists on all MAX variants, but those other variants are already certified (the issue was discovered post certification), and it's deemed to be not severe enough / with a good enough mitigation that they are allowing Boeing some time to come up with a fix for the already-certified design, and continue producing it. The expectation is that once Boeing has a proper fix and retrofit plan, it will be required by an AD on all aircraft. However it's unlikely the FAA will certify the new MAX10 variant with this known issue, and so far Boeing doesn't have a fix.

madeofpalk 3y ago

My understanding is that the Max 9 has no inherit door problem, but it had a process/installation that lead to the incident? Boeing has a problem, but not the Max 9?

mym1990 3y ago
I would second this. I believe people are bunching a lot of things together: pilot error, maintenance issues, airplane defects into one big "BOEING SUCKS" billboard.
- nottorp 3y ago
  Yeah blame the dead pilot who had to deal with undocumented behaviour for MCAS. Make what happens in Boeing's factory a 'maintenance issue'. It wasn't a job done by Alaska Airlines was it? As a potential passenger on these planes, why do you go along with the passing the blame game?
  - mym1990 3y ago
    I was referencing the United flight last week that landed in Houston and ran off the taxiway into the grass. Nice of you to show your colors though.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      This one? https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618 https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618 Looks to be pilot error. No one discussing Boeing's fundamental flaws is thinking about that one though, but of the 400+ dead because of MCAS. Which has been attributed to pilot error because "3rd world countries".
      - mym1990 3y ago
        That’s the one. The MCAS incidents were very clearly faulty processes and software and to have two catastrophic incidents have to happen to get to the cause is tragic. Currently people are latching onto every tidbit that goes wrong on or around a Boeing hull.
        nottorp 3y ago
        'People' should read avherald more often instead of getting their info from sites that are after 'engagement'. Incidentally that site shows how safe flying is on average. 5 incidents daily on 90k passenger flights daily (number pulled out of Gemini's ass) is basically nothing.
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- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  That's some top tier boot licking to blame a dead pilot when the lock up failure was able to be duplicated: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/business/ntsb-probing-stuck-control-incident-on-boeing-737-max/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/business/ntsb-probing-stuck-c...
  - mym1990 3y ago
    I was referencing the United flight last week that landed in Houston and ran off the taxiway into the grass, you complete twat. That's actually a disgusting statement by you.
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chippiewill 3y ago
The process problem _was_ specific to the Max 9 however, as it was the only one with a door plug to be incorrectly installed. The Max 8 never has that exit fitted and the Max 10 always has that exit fitted. Max 9 is the only one that can plug it.

Ekaros 3y ago

It really makes whole thing look weird. Isn't Max 10 just bit longer version? So how can one be certified and not the other? And isn't the type rating for flying one same? If they don't make reasonable move now and finally treat them different from past 737s?

nottorp 3y ago
> If they don't make reasonable move now and finally treat them different from past 737s? I'm guessing that's what's happening. Or I hope. No more self certifying and waivers.
error503 3y ago
There've been so many issues it's definitely getting confusing, but the thing blocking the MAX10 certification is a problem with the engine anti-ice system. You're correct that this problem exists on all MAX variants, but those other variants are already certified (the issue was discovered post certification), and it's deemed to be not severe enough / with a good enough mitigation that they are allowing Boeing some time to come up with a fix for the already-certified design, and continue producing it. The expectation is that once Boeing has a proper fix and retrofit plan, it will be required by an AD on all aircraft. However it's unlikely the FAA will certify the new MAX10 variant with this known issue, and so far Boeing doesn't have a fix.