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That's the bullshit jobs argument of David Graber. I know Andrew Yang talked a lot about it as well. The concept makes sense to a degree, but I don't know how
by 7thaccount 3y ago
That's the bullshit jobs argument of David Graber. I know Andrew Yang talked a lot about it as well.
The concept makes sense to a degree, but I don't know how it could be implemented in mass without issues. In scifi like Star Trek, they have a post scarcity society and everyone wants to work towards self betterment. I'd assume in modern society that everyone would just want to sleep, eat, and watch Netflix to a degree. I'm being a little over pessimistic here of course. Perhaps the "basic" aspect of it that is just enough for food, clothing, shelter, and health, helps incent those taking more risks for things like entrepreneurship that they'd be too scared to do normally?
How did the UBI study in (I think it was Sweden) go?
- chownie 3y agoPeople eat, sleep and watch Netflix in their spare time because they're dedicating their thoughtful useful hours to work. A friend of mine is on long term disability support payments, when he was doing full time work he was a couch potato in his spare time and I couldn't ever get him to join in on hobbies with me. Now that he doesn't work he's producing music and painting and he picked both up eagerly from casual interest and to escape surplus free time.
- 7thaccount 3y agoA fair point. It's hard to do school work when I'm already doing 40+ hours at work each week. The brain needs rest.
- graemep 3y ago> Perhaps the "basic" aspect of it that is just enough for food, clothing, shelter, and health, helps incent those taking more risks for things like entrepreneurship that they'd be too scared to do normally? Exactly. It is not as expensive as you might think because it replaces welfare systems. it also avoids welfare disincentive traps such as we get in the UK, where taking on a low paid job can get you hardly any extra income as the earnings are mostly offset by reductions in benefits. Very few people want to live on a minimum income so most people will work. People like to eat better than the minimum, go out, have nice stuff, live somewhere a bit nicer....
- 7thaccount 3y agoThanks for the explanation. It's also nice to know you won't be homeless if something happens.
- bee_rider 3y agoAlso, it should be noted that it just removes a lot of the administrative overhead of other systems, in the sense that we won’t be employing a bunch of people to figure out who deserves money.
- bee_rider 3y agoThere was one recently in Finland. Here’s an article that reports it as a failure: https://phys.org/news/2021-06-finnish-basic-income-short-term-employment.amp https://phys.org/news/2021-06-finnish-basic-income-short-ter... I picked that one because it seems “fair” in the sense that they clearly are taking a negative spin on it, and I like basic income. It includes lines like: > Moreover, even though all job search requirements were waived, participation in reemployment services remained high. They label this as a failure, because it didn’t increase the participation. But, it looks like a fairly good outcome to me.
- ben_w 3y agoNetflix is optimising for our attention as a way to get money; if the content creators are also on UBI and create only for their own artistic vision, we'll probably mostly be a lot less interested in what they make — the alternative is that Holywood is run by people who add nothing and possibly actively harm their own businesses, for which I will let y'all supply your own punchlines.