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Reminds me of OS/400. Can I download DBOS to run it locally? Web page says "So Matei and I launched a joint MIT-Stanford open-source R&D project to prototype

Reminds me of OS/400. Can I download DBOS to run it locally? Web page says "So Matei and I launched a joint MIT-Stanford open-source R&D project to prototype DBOS" and it points to this site: https://dbos-project.github.io/ https://dbos-project.github.io/ and https://github.com/DBOS-project https://github.com/DBOS-project Neither contain much source code at all. Under pricing on the main page it says: Can I run DBOS Cloud on-premises? The DBOS SDK can deploy your transactional, fault-tolerant TypeScript code locally (any platform) for testing purposes. For production deployment, deploy your code from the SDK to DBOS Cloud But that is for DBOSCloud, but I guess it goes for DBOS as well? https://github.com/DBOS-project https://github.com/DBOS-project

gregw2 3y ago
Agreed. It'd be interesting to have Brian Kernighan (C/unix) moderate a panel discussion with Frank Soltis (OS/400) and Michael Stonebraker. (If OpenAI Sora could create a compelling video of that, I would declare GenAI solved!) (Was their ever a technical architect associated with Microsoft's Cairo/Longhorn/Avalon/WinFS SQL server filesystem that never made it past MSDN previews? Might want that person on the panel too...)
skissane 3y ago
> https://github.com/DBOS-project https://github.com/DBOS-project I don't believe that's the current code. That's the code from when they were a university research project. Now they've spun off it into a commercial venture, the code is here: https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-ts https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-ts It looks like the local development environment is open source but cloud-based production runtime is closed source.
- ThinkBeat 3y ago
  Interesting. Thank you for the link. Browsing through the code, it appears that they have at least opens sourced many components. It does not seem easy to "compile" combine them coherently them into an ISO and install. (ok usb stick, whatever is best these days) Also surprised to see Java and Scala, Python and C++, I do think that is cool.
  - skissane 3y ago
    > It does not seem easy to "compile" combine them coherently them into an ISO and install. (ok usb stick, whatever is best these days) I don't think this actually is an "operating system" in the traditional sense of the term. It isn't trying to replace Linux/Windows/XNU/etc, it isn't something like Fuschia or seL4. They mention a "minimal kernel", but I bet it isn't their own custom OS kernel, it is just a Linux kernel with some minimalist configuration It is more an "application server" – if WebSphere, WebLogic, Tuxedo, CICS, TXSeries, etc, are "operating systems" then this is an operating system too. Maybe a merged "application server"/"database", which is not actually a new idea (go back to 1999 or so, and Oracle's J2EE app server was built into Oracle RDBMS, and ran as part of the database; shortly thereafter Oracle decided this was a bad idea, and moved to a more conventional architecture in which the app server runs in a standard JVM outside of the database)
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gregw2 3y ago

Agreed. It'd be interesting to have Brian Kernighan (C/unix) moderate a panel discussion with Frank Soltis (OS/400) and Michael Stonebraker. (If OpenAI Sora could create a compelling video of that, I would declare GenAI solved!) (Was their ever a technical architect associated with Microsoft's Cairo/Longhorn/Avalon/WinFS SQL server filesystem that never made it past MSDN previews? Might want that person on the panel too...)

skissane 3y ago

> https://github.com/DBOS-project https://github.com/DBOS-project I don't believe that's the current code. That's the code from when they were a university research project. Now they've spun off it into a commercial venture, the code is here: https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-ts https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-ts It looks like the local development environment is open source but cloud-based production runtime is closed source.

ThinkBeat 3y ago
Interesting. Thank you for the link. Browsing through the code, it appears that they have at least opens sourced many components. It does not seem easy to "compile" combine them coherently them into an ISO and install. (ok usb stick, whatever is best these days) Also surprised to see Java and Scala, Python and C++, I do think that is cool.
- skissane 3y ago
  > It does not seem easy to "compile" combine them coherently them into an ISO and install. (ok usb stick, whatever is best these days) I don't think this actually is an "operating system" in the traditional sense of the term. It isn't trying to replace Linux/Windows/XNU/etc, it isn't something like Fuschia or seL4. They mention a "minimal kernel", but I bet it isn't their own custom OS kernel, it is just a Linux kernel with some minimalist configuration It is more an "application server" – if WebSphere, WebLogic, Tuxedo, CICS, TXSeries, etc, are "operating systems" then this is an operating system too. Maybe a merged "application server"/"database", which is not actually a new idea (go back to 1999 or so, and Oracle's J2EE app server was built into Oracle RDBMS, and ran as part of the database; shortly thereafter Oracle decided this was a bad idea, and moved to a more conventional architecture in which the app server runs in a standard JVM outside of the database)

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