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>France collects directly from salary Its the same in the USA for most workers. You file your taxes at the end of each year to confirm all the numbers are corr

>France collects directly from salary Its the same in the USA for most workers. You file your taxes at the end of each year to confirm all the numbers are correct, and report deductions.

jdietrich 3y ago
In countries like the UK, the tax code is simple enough that most employees never have to file a tax return. There isn't a long list of deductions and exemptions, so unless your financial affairs are particularly complicated or unusual, everything is handled by your employer.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  Is there no tax on non-employment income?
chiefalchemist 3y ago
And the IRS has most of those numbers (if not all for most people). The process should start with the IRS saying, "Here's what we have so far...". Not "We know but we won't tell you. Don't fuck it up cause them we'll screw up." The process is intentionally designed to insight fear.
- vundercind 3y ago
  It’s the way it is due to lobbying by Intuit and friends, and Republicans wanting the process to be annoying. You may be correct that it causes fear, but the above is the intent behind the state of things.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    Intuit? You do realize there's been a Fed income tax and an IRS for a lot longer than there's been Intuit.
    - vundercind 3y ago
      What’s your point? The reason it still sucks despite clear, functioning examples of how to do it better isn’t because we had an income tax in the 1930s or whatever. That has nothing to do with decades of our failing to fix it. We very likely would have by now if not for the two reasons I called out. That’s the “intent” behind it sucking—rent seeking, and political expedience.
      - chiefalchemist 3y ago
        Nah. What's *your* point? I mentioned taxes as a tool that weaponizes fear and somehow Intuit enters the conversation? Makes no sense. If you're going to change the direction of the sub-thread please use your blinker.
        vundercind 3y ago
        The situation you described in your post, concluding that it’s intentionally designed to cause fear, isn’t that way to cause fear, it’s that way for the reasons I mentioned. That was my point. It’s entirely relevant to all of the post that I responded to.
        chiefalchemist 3y ago
        Again, what does Intuit have to do with it? Intuit is late to the game. It's simply another *symptom*. I don't want to talk about symptoms. Let's talk about root problems, otherwise symptoms are a distraction.
        vundercind 3y ago
        If you want to end the problems you brought up, the two causes I mentioned are what you’ll be working to overcome. “Income tax exists” is not the reason we do it poorly.
        chiefalchemist 3y ago
ghaff 3y ago
And adjust, in one way or another, the amount of those deductions. Even if you don't itemize, the amount taken out of salaries for most people between Federal and State doesn't align with what was taken out of their salaries. (For a lot of people, they're actually owed a refund though.)

>France collects directly from salary Its the same in the USA for most workers. You file your taxes at the end of each year to confirm all the numbers are correct, and report deductions.

jdietrich 3y ago

In countries like the UK, the tax code is simple enough that most employees never have to file a tax return. There isn't a long list of deductions and exemptions, so unless your financial affairs are particularly complicated or unusual, everything is handled by your employer.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
Is there no tax on non-employment income?

chiefalchemist 3y ago

And the IRS has most of those numbers (if not all for most people). The process should start with the IRS saying, "Here's what we have so far...". Not "We know but we won't tell you. Don't fuck it up cause them we'll screw up." The process is intentionally designed to insight fear.

vundercind 3y ago
It’s the way it is due to lobbying by Intuit and friends, and Republicans wanting the process to be annoying. You may be correct that it causes fear, but the above is the intent behind the state of things.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  Intuit? You do realize there's been a Fed income tax and an IRS for a lot longer than there's been Intuit.
  - vundercind 3y ago
    What’s your point? The reason it still sucks despite clear, functioning examples of how to do it better isn’t because we had an income tax in the 1930s or whatever. That has nothing to do with decades of our failing to fix it. We very likely would have by now if not for the two reasons I called out. That’s the “intent” behind it sucking—rent seeking, and political expedience.
    - chiefalchemist 3y ago
      Nah. What's *your* point? I mentioned taxes as a tool that weaponizes fear and somehow Intuit enters the conversation? Makes no sense. If you're going to change the direction of the sub-thread please use your blinker.
      - vundercind 3y ago
        The situation you described in your post, concluding that it’s intentionally designed to cause fear, isn’t that way to cause fear, it’s that way for the reasons I mentioned. That was my point. It’s entirely relevant to all of the post that I responded to.
        chiefalchemist 3y ago
        Again, what does Intuit have to do with it? Intuit is late to the game. It's simply another *symptom*. I don't want to talk about symptoms. Let's talk about root problems, otherwise symptoms are a distraction.
        vundercind 3y ago
        If you want to end the problems you brought up, the two causes I mentioned are what you’ll be working to overcome. “Income tax exists” is not the reason we do it poorly.
        chiefalchemist 3y ago

ghaff 3y ago

And adjust, in one way or another, the amount of those deductions. Even if you don't itemize, the amount taken out of salaries for most people between Federal and State doesn't align with what was taken out of their salaries. (For a lot of people, they're actually owed a refund though.)