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> The records and reports required for each pigeon unit are Breeding Card, Pigeon Breeding Record, Pigeon Flight Record, Pigeon Pedigree, and Monthly Pigeon Lof

> The records and reports required for each pigeon unit are Breeding Card, Pigeon Breeding Record, Pigeon Flight Record, Pigeon Pedigree, and Monthly Pigeon Loft Report. Wow. Red tape city.

xbar 3y ago
Somehow I am inspired to write a variety of WWII-era US Army-style training manuals for operating my complex systems.
- gausswho 3y ago
  Please also produce an audiobook reading it. Things like this can happen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401,_A_User%27s_Manual https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401,_A_User%27s_Manual
rl3 3y ago
>Wow. Red tape city. At least it was more auditable than a modern Boeing assembly plant.
RoadRageRyan 3y ago
This doesn’t appear as red-tape to me. Breeding animals takes many generations to get desired traits, so all this information would help to identify a problematic lineage. Since these pigeons were used to deliver critical messages if you had a lineage who began to lose their homing abilities it could be very costly. Imagine a small group of scout soldiers whom find an unknown opposition encampment. They need additional forces to get there quickly or they may lose the chance to weaken those forces. If the pigeon is less likely to return home, they likely wouldn’t want to leverage them for these critical missions. Having a clear and traceable record makes it so they can selectively breed the best pigeons and/or assign the best pigeons to the right tasks. Without clear and consistent records like these it would be akin to pissing into the wind and hoping you don’t get wet.
- samstave 3y ago
  Pigeons are amazing. THey may have a very large hippocampus, like that of a Hummingbird (my favorite bird) - which have a huge hippocampus and this is how they recall so many food resources. Both birds can fly thousands of miles (some hummingbirds migrate from washington state to mexico) But, Yeah this is for selective breeding of the best r/birdsarentreal stock Pigeons are incredible critters. * pigeon droppings were important in making gun powder, and at one point in the UK ALL pigeon droppings were property of the Crown for this reason * pigeons can fly incredibly high and fast They have exceptional biological compass Self-Recognition and Social Intelligence: Pigeons can recognize themselves in mirrors, a rare quality among birds. They can also differentiate between humans in photos. Their self-cognitive ability rivals that of 3-year-old children. - Impressive Flight Speeds: Pigeons are not the fastest birds, but they can reach speeds of up to 92.7 miles per hour during flight. Their sustained velocity is around 60 mph. Pigeon racing showcases their remarkable flying abilities. - Cleanliness and Spiritual Significance: Pigeons are clean and do not spread diseases significantly. In various religions (such as Muslim, Sikh, and Hindu), pigeons are considered spiritual and cared for. - Social Creatures: Pigeons prefer living in groups of 20 to 30 birds. They are social and tolerate human interaction better than many other bird species. Navigation Abilities: Pigeons use a combination of cues: Visual Landmarks: They recognize familiar landmarks along known routes. Magnetoreception: They sense Earth’s magnetic field for orientation. Olfactory Navigation: Their sense of smell helps them find their way home. Sun Compass: They use the sun’s position as a compass. Homing Pigeons and Their Inner Ear: Scientists have explored iron-rich material in pigeons’ inner ears. However, this material is unlikely to be their primary magnetic sensor. Pigeons likely rely more on olfactory cues for navigation. Memory and Recall: Pigeons can recall locations even when transported far away. Their impressive navigational instinct allows them to find their way home.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > pigeon droppings were important in making gun powder, and at one point in the UK ALL pigeon droppings were property of the Crown for this reason Bet that’s been struck of the books.
082349872349872 3y ago
Unfortunately, without the threat of red tape, many humans have cashed subsidies for imaginary domesticates, or worse yet, gained a little margin by keeping other living beings in inhumane conditions. Compare 9(a) with https://www.pigeon.org/pages/loftregistration.html https://www.pigeon.org/pages/loftregistration.html
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
You can see what happens if they compromise on these things at Boeing at the moment.
Loughla 3y ago
Any successful breeding program of any animal for desired characteristics tracks every single input and outcome. They're all important. Now combine that with work that can get humans killed. I would be very, very interested in making sure everything about these birds was absolutely perfect.
gwbas1c 3y ago
If you need a large group of people to do something correctly, you need to document how to do it and train them on how to do it. The Army can't just assume that every pigeon handler comes from a background with pigeons, will just "figure it out," or that within recruits / draftees, there will be enough people who are interested in pigeons that it will "just work." Nor can the Army assume that the pigeon expert, who wrote that book, will be available to handhold every pigeon handler with their pigeons. This, BTW, is an important lesson for scaling a successful business. Properly documenting processes and training employees is critical. Finally, this extensive attention to detail is why the US Army is one of the best armies in the world.

> The records and reports required for each pigeon unit are Breeding Card, Pigeon Breeding Record, Pigeon Flight Record, Pigeon Pedigree, and Monthly Pigeon Loft Report. Wow. Red tape city.

xbar 3y ago

Somehow I am inspired to write a variety of WWII-era US Army-style training manuals for operating my complex systems.

gausswho 3y ago
Please also produce an audiobook reading it. Things like this can happen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401,_A_User%27s_Manual https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401,_A_User%27s_Manual

rl3 3y ago

>Wow. Red tape city. At least it was more auditable than a modern Boeing assembly plant.

RoadRageRyan 3y ago

This doesn’t appear as red-tape to me. Breeding animals takes many generations to get desired traits, so all this information would help to identify a problematic lineage. Since these pigeons were used to deliver critical messages if you had a lineage who began to lose their homing abilities it could be very costly. Imagine a small group of scout soldiers whom find an unknown opposition encampment. They need additional forces to get there quickly or they may lose the chance to weaken those forces. If the pigeon is less likely to return home, they likely wouldn’t want to leverage them for these critical missions. Having a clear and traceable record makes it so they can selectively breed the best pigeons and/or assign the best pigeons to the right tasks. Without clear and consistent records like these it would be akin to pissing into the wind and hoping you don’t get wet.

samstave 3y ago
Pigeons are amazing. THey may have a very large hippocampus, like that of a Hummingbird (my favorite bird) - which have a huge hippocampus and this is how they recall so many food resources. Both birds can fly thousands of miles (some hummingbirds migrate from washington state to mexico) But, Yeah this is for selective breeding of the best r/birdsarentreal stock Pigeons are incredible critters. * pigeon droppings were important in making gun powder, and at one point in the UK ALL pigeon droppings were property of the Crown for this reason * pigeons can fly incredibly high and fast They have exceptional biological compass Self-Recognition and Social Intelligence: Pigeons can recognize themselves in mirrors, a rare quality among birds. They can also differentiate between humans in photos. Their self-cognitive ability rivals that of 3-year-old children. - Impressive Flight Speeds: Pigeons are not the fastest birds, but they can reach speeds of up to 92.7 miles per hour during flight. Their sustained velocity is around 60 mph. Pigeon racing showcases their remarkable flying abilities. - Cleanliness and Spiritual Significance: Pigeons are clean and do not spread diseases significantly. In various religions (such as Muslim, Sikh, and Hindu), pigeons are considered spiritual and cared for. - Social Creatures: Pigeons prefer living in groups of 20 to 30 birds. They are social and tolerate human interaction better than many other bird species. Navigation Abilities: Pigeons use a combination of cues: Visual Landmarks: They recognize familiar landmarks along known routes. Magnetoreception: They sense Earth’s magnetic field for orientation. Olfactory Navigation: Their sense of smell helps them find their way home. Sun Compass: They use the sun’s position as a compass. Homing Pigeons and Their Inner Ear: Scientists have explored iron-rich material in pigeons’ inner ears. However, this material is unlikely to be their primary magnetic sensor. Pigeons likely rely more on olfactory cues for navigation. Memory and Recall: Pigeons can recall locations even when transported far away. Their impressive navigational instinct allows them to find their way home.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > pigeon droppings were important in making gun powder, and at one point in the UK ALL pigeon droppings were property of the Crown for this reason Bet that’s been struck of the books.

082349872349872 3y ago

Unfortunately, without the threat of red tape, many humans have cashed subsidies for imaginary domesticates, or worse yet, gained a little margin by keeping other living beings in inhumane conditions. Compare 9(a) with https://www.pigeon.org/pages/loftregistration.html https://www.pigeon.org/pages/loftregistration.html

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

You can see what happens if they compromise on these things at Boeing at the moment.

Loughla 3y ago

Any successful breeding program of any animal for desired characteristics tracks every single input and outcome. They're all important. Now combine that with work that can get humans killed. I would be very, very interested in making sure everything about these birds was absolutely perfect.

gwbas1c 3y ago

If you need a large group of people to do something correctly, you need to document how to do it and train them on how to do it. The Army can't just assume that every pigeon handler comes from a background with pigeons, will just "figure it out," or that within recruits / draftees, there will be enough people who are interested in pigeons that it will "just work." Nor can the Army assume that the pigeon expert, who wrote that book, will be available to handhold every pigeon handler with their pigeons. This, BTW, is an important lesson for scaling a successful business. Properly documenting processes and training employees is critical. Finally, this extensive attention to detail is why the US Army is one of the best armies in the world.