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> It encourages the buying of trucks from US automakers which is better for US companies, US workers, and the environment. You've identified the winners, but y

> It encourages the buying of trucks from US automakers which is better for US companies, US workers, and the environment. You've identified the winners, but you have ignored the losers!

autoexec 3y ago
That's because I'm very much less concerned with non-US automakers who still manage to do very well for themselves outside of the US and even inside of it too. It doesn't bother me at all if automakers in other countries have to focus more on their own local markets or that when they want to sell trucks in the US they have to compete on something other than offering the lowest possible price. I'm also naturally more concerned about US workers than workers overseas since I want the people near me to have good paying jobs and to be able to contribute to and participate in my local economy. When people in the USA are encouraged to buy goods made in the USA, the USA is the winner. Since I live in the USA I'll happily take that win. I really couldn't care less about US or non-US companies that want to increase their profits by polluting the environment more. Building trucks outside of the USA's more stringent environmental protections and then shipping large heavy trucks across entire oceans when they could have been made closer to their buyers wouldn't be a win for anyone but an already very wealthy few. I'm not shedding any tears for them. We can still buy trucks made outside of the US, and plenty of Americans do. There are many Tacomas, Tundras, and Frontiers on American streets. You can even find a Honda Ridgeline or Hyundai Santa Cruz. We're not at all hurting for non-US truck options, but considering the list of winners, I'd say we do have a lot to lose.
- DaveExeter 3y ago
  You've re-identified the winners, but you are still ignoring the losers!
  - autoexec 3y ago
    If the losers aren't non-US automakers, overseas workers, and corporations who want to pollute the planet who are they?
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      US consumers who aren't auto workers paying higher prices due to a much less competitive marketplace.
      - autoexec 3y ago
        after weighing them, I'm fine with those losers being losers. It'd be different if there were no way for US consumers to get a Toyota truck, or if they were outside the reach of anyone but the extremely wealthy, but that isn't the case. While the costs to US consumers might be higher, we're still buying them. Non-US automakers have no problem making money selling their trucks in the US market, even if they don't dominate here. If too many people in the US were being priced out of them, it wouldn't be worth it to the companies to sell their trucks here, and they wouldn't still be doing it. I don't deny that they could be making more money, and that some US consumers could be spending less. There's certainly a philosophical argument to be made that idealistically there should be an even playing field for every automaker with no preference given to US companies, but I feel that realistically we'd be losing more than we'd gain by making that happen.

> It encourages the buying of trucks from US automakers which is better for US companies, US workers, and the environment. You've identified the winners, but you have ignored the losers!

autoexec 3y ago

That's because I'm very much less concerned with non-US automakers who still manage to do very well for themselves outside of the US and even inside of it too. It doesn't bother me at all if automakers in other countries have to focus more on their own local markets or that when they want to sell trucks in the US they have to compete on something other than offering the lowest possible price. I'm also naturally more concerned about US workers than workers overseas since I want the people near me to have good paying jobs and to be able to contribute to and participate in my local economy. When people in the USA are encouraged to buy goods made in the USA, the USA is the winner. Since I live in the USA I'll happily take that win. I really couldn't care less about US or non-US companies that want to increase their profits by polluting the environment more. Building trucks outside of the USA's more stringent environmental protections and then shipping large heavy trucks across entire oceans when they could have been made closer to their buyers wouldn't be a win for anyone but an already very wealthy few. I'm not shedding any tears for them. We can still buy trucks made outside of the US, and plenty of Americans do. There are many Tacomas, Tundras, and Frontiers on American streets. You can even find a Honda Ridgeline or Hyundai Santa Cruz. We're not at all hurting for non-US truck options, but considering the list of winners, I'd say we do have a lot to lose.

DaveExeter 3y ago
You've re-identified the winners, but you are still ignoring the losers!
- autoexec 3y ago
  If the losers aren't non-US automakers, overseas workers, and corporations who want to pollute the planet who are they?
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    US consumers who aren't auto workers paying higher prices due to a much less competitive marketplace.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      after weighing them, I'm fine with those losers being losers. It'd be different if there were no way for US consumers to get a Toyota truck, or if they were outside the reach of anyone but the extremely wealthy, but that isn't the case. While the costs to US consumers might be higher, we're still buying them. Non-US automakers have no problem making money selling their trucks in the US market, even if they don't dominate here. If too many people in the US were being priced out of them, it wouldn't be worth it to the companies to sell their trucks here, and they wouldn't still be doing it. I don't deny that they could be making more money, and that some US consumers could be spending less. There's certainly a philosophical argument to be made that idealistically there should be an even playing field for every automaker with no preference given to US companies, but I feel that realistically we'd be losing more than we'd gain by making that happen.