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I thought this part was interesting, in the Discussion: > Park et al reported that daily consumption of 200 mL of pomegranate vinegar for 8 weeks significantly
by jfoster 3y ago
I thought this part was interesting, in the Discussion:
> Park et al reported that daily consumption of 200 mL of pomegranate vinegar for 8 weeks significantly reduced total fat mass in overweight or obese subjects compared with the control group without significantly affecting body weight and BMI.
If total fat mass decreases without significantly affecting body weight or BMI, that suggests a change in composition, doesn't it?
The pomegranate vinegar study they reference is this one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756464614001273 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S17564...
- slowmovintarget 3y agoIf BMI is unaffected, wouldn't that mean muscle loss as well? You'd think you'd want BMI to be affected.
- didgeoridoo 3y agoBMI is purely a weight/height calculation. If BMI is unchanged that just means total weight is unchanged — meaning, if fat was lost, muscle must have been gained.
- Yodel0914 3y ago> If BMI is unaffected, wouldn't that mean muscle loss as well? For a given person, BMI is equivalent to weight (because height is fixed). If fat went down, but weight/BMI stayed the same, that would indicate an increase in the non-fat components of body weight.
- giblfiz 3y agoNope BMI is just a "weight to height" ratio ( https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/bmitools.htm https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/bmitool... ) This can lead to some funny errors in edge cases, like Mr.Universe Arnold being morbidly obese according to BMI
- alliao 3y agomy reading is no change in mass but less fat, meaning gained muscle instead of muscle loss...
- jfoster 3y agoThat's what I was thinking when I read it, but it seems strange that it isn't explicitly mentioned. It also seems quite surprising to me that drinking pomegranate vinegar would increase muscle. Makes me wonder if there's something I'm missing.
- jb_gericke 3y agoWhich doesn’t really make sense, as drinking ACV alone will definitely not result in a body recomp/the addition of muscle (every meat head lifter, myself included, would be drinking a few bottles a day in that case).
- qingcharles 3y agoIt could have changed their height... ... I'll see myself out.
- vfvthunter 3y agoThey're misquoting Park et al. The PV study reduced visceral fat. If you take anything (including coffee) that results in lipolysis, and then don't burn the newly freed fats off with activity, it just goes (re-deposits) somewhere else. Specific to the PV paper, it resulted in a redistribution of the fat from VAT to SAT. TL;DR: Pomegranate vinegar shifts fat from omentum to subcutaneous tissue. It does not increase muscle mass.