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And EVs make some problems worse, such as tire dust because they're heavier than an equivalent ICE car.
by ipqk 3y ago
And EVs make some problems worse, such as tire dust because they're heavier than an equivalent ICE car.
- rjbwork 3y agoYep. Pretty much any kind of wear and tear part that is on an EV wears worse compared to a similarly powerful ICE. It's probably a wash or better because they don't use petroleum products for propulsion, but it is definitely a thing that needs to be considered. EV's are not some kind of panacea.
- Johnny555 3y agoExcept brakes, since they are rarely used due to regenerative braking. Tires, on the other hand, do wear faster than a lighter ICE car. My EV has almost 30,000 miles now and will need tires soon, but other than washer fluid, it has had no other consumables or wear items replaced. Though to be fair, the tires on my previous ICE vehicle only lasted about 30,000 miles before they needed to be replaced, OEM car tires are often not long lasting. Brake fluid is due to be flushed next year, but not due to use of the brakes, just due to time.
- Moto7451 3y agoTire life also depends on where you live. In Atlanta, GA, I specifically haven’t made it more than 20K miles on a set of tires be it wear or road hazard. The issue with nails here is so bad there’s a guy on a bike picking them up with magnets. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlanta-magnet-man-alex-benigno-bicycle https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlanta-magnet-man-alex-ben... That 20K set of tires had a slow leak from a nail that was patched incompletely. On the new set I had to replace two using the hazard insurance I purchased after three months and two thousand miles. I expect to use the insurance again. I now have an EV with sport summer tires. They’re at 5K miles and have a screw embedded in one tire since about 400 miles. That tire was deemed to be safe and best left alone as it’s presumed to be running through a rubber block only. I’m just running it until it goes flat assuming it doesn’t manage to survive its whole expected life span. Realistically I’ll end up running something else over this spring once construction gets into full swing.
- recursive 3y agoYou should probably change your air filter.
- lostlogin 3y ago> Yep. Pretty much any kind of wear and tear part that is on an EV wears worse compared to a similarly powerful ICE. Probably accurate if you exclude the brakes and ignore the fact that removing an ICE engine from consideration also removes nearly all the tricky bits that wear out on an ICE car.
- Retric 3y agoActually, the opposite is true because they make heavy use of regenerative breaking. What EV’s produce more of is tire particulates due to weight. PS: And now the post says tires.
- yaomtc 3y agoThey said tire dust, though, and I don't see an "edited" note there
- Retric 3y agoSaid breaks when I replied, though the article is talking about breaks so it’s an easy slip up.
- smallerfish 3y agoBrakes. Different thing
- ipqk 3y agoSorry, I meant tires, but momentarily mixed it up with brakes.
- Retric 3y agoThanks, it's fine. I thought the post had changed, but I wasn't 100%
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoThe same applies to tires though. The driving style EVs encourage (avoid heavy braking to allow regenerative charging) reduces tire wear too.
- bluSCALE4 3y agoEVs also don't really use brakes. They mainly use regen braking. 50k miles and on the same pads.
- rubicon33 3y agoMy standard non EV gas car is 45k same pads?
- vlucas 3y agoThis is true about EVs, but it all just depends on how hard you are on your brakes. I routinely go 70k+ miles in ICE cars with the same brake pads. My mom on the other hand had to change hers about every 30k miles. YMMV.
- bestnameever 3y agoa lot of that can depend on your commute. If you commute over hills, you can expect shorter time between replacing brake pads. Having said this, if you can go 70k+ miles with the same brake pads, you could likely go much further than that if the car had regenerative braking.
- vel0city 3y agoI haven't really had to engage the friction brakes on my EV in the past 30,000mi, other than intentionally having a few hard stops to scrape rust off the rotors from not using them for so long.
- pornel 3y agoIt's a shame this is used as an excuse to keep the heavy ICE SUVs and trucks. There are many EVs lighter than an average pickup truck. If people really cared about this, they'd demand train-based public transport instead (no tires! fully electric! self-driving too!), or at very least limits on car weight regardless of the engine.
- bluSCALE4 3y agoMost drivers are virtue signalers. Until we have eco batteries or hydrogen buses and trains are the only real eco solution.
- kube-system 3y agoUnfortunately buses and trains are only viable above a certain density, and many communities exist configured in such a way that they are intentionally low density. While metal mining might have an environmental impact, abandoning millions of existing homes and building new ones in cities not only also has a large environmental impact (concrete also isn't great for the environment), but it is also politically, economically, and practically unviable. A mix of solutions will be needed to fix the variety of different and unique problems that exist.
- pastage 3y agoBusses are viable as long as you make them viable. If you have a busstation at a 1 km distance you can make it viable in most places even with the mega sprawl of the US. The economical incentives of a car economy is perverse it is the tradgedy of the commons distilled.
- kube-system 3y agoMost of the US has single digit numbers of people per square km. And the average daily commute is 61 km. And suburban sprawl had led to the decline in city centers. Low density, high distance, and poor directionality are very significant challenges for planning a bus line. Have you used bus systems in the US? Even in cities that have made a large investment in bus service, it can be a challenge.
- jillesvangurp 3y agoThis depends on your driving style. I was listening to a person from a lease company on the fully charged podcast recently who literally runs the numbers on their fleet of EVs calling this out as largely a myth (one of several). At scale, they are not really seeing a difference relative to ICE cars. And they'd know because with a lease car, replacing tires is their problem. Some people of course drive their EVs aggressively and wear out the tires faster. But that's true if you have a muscle car too. Doing donuts in the parking lot just wears out your tires. And if you are in Germany and like seeing how fast your car can go regularly that also wears out your tires. The driving style is a much bigger factor than the weight of the car. But otherwise the numbers are about the same for ice cars and evs in terms of frequency of needing tire replacements. For most people the novelty of abusing their tires wears of quickly. And because most EVs use regenerative braking, the main issue with the brakes in EVs is that they are used so infrequently that they need to be replaced because of corrosion issues. You actually need to use the brakes once in a while to keep them clean and functioning apparently.
- penneyd 3y agoA model 3 is no heavier than a 3 series.
- porkbeer 3y agoNot by my math unless comparing the hybrid.
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