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Also to comment further on my "Gaza is not occupied" point. You mention the movement of people to Israel (a different country) and movement of people to the Wes
by nsguy 3y ago
Also to comment further on my "Gaza is not occupied" point. You mention the movement of people to Israel (a different country) and movement of people to the West Bank (a piece of land occupied from a different country by a different country). I can only assume this is supposed to be some sort of supporting argument against my position.
Before 1967 when Gaza was part of Egypt and the West Bank was part of Jordan and both were at war with Israel there was also no free movement of people between those places. What exactly stopped Egypt and Jordan from creating this "two state solution", giving Palestinians their country in that territory, and facilitating all the other requirements?
Fast forward to today where again the international status of Gaza is territory occupied by Israel, from Egypt, in 1967. The Palestinians have no standing in there at all. Palestinians are asking for new rights, and they should obtain those rights via negotiations either with Israel or with Egypt and Jordan if they prefer to do so. There is no requirement under international law for Israel to allow for movement of people between those places (though in practice they do allow it, as you point out, because reality often trumps legality). It's also not generally true that people leaving the west bank cannot return and certainly people leaving Gaza (for example for training in Iran) can return. The situation in Israel vs. international law is somewhat unique. When Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005 it effectively for all practical purposes ended the status of that territory as being occupied. Because Egypt won't take it back and because of the complicated politics of the situation there are still some legal issues but from a practical perspective, that territory is not occupied.
When the Palestinians say "occupation" they mostly mean Jewish presence in Mandatory Palestine (A British territory following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire). I've even heard that term extend to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Spain and other places. That has nothing to do with the international law regarding occupied territories but that line is conveniently blurred.