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Linux on the desktop is gaining ground

63 points by alexzeitler 3y ago

rqtwteye 3y ago
Is this finally the year of the Linux desktop? I tried to go full Linux two years ago but gave up and went back to Mac. Between lots of software not available on Linux and weird problems with screens and audio I couldn’t recommend Linux to non tech people. It’s great for dev though. I think the traditional desktop will go away slowly anyways and most people will use operating systems like iOS and Android.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Laptops are the new desktop, and in those GNU/Linux still has issues with 100% hardware support, even the ones from Linux OEMs still have issues with fingerprint readers, dual GPUs, sleep modes, hibernation. Where GNU/Linux works just fine are classical desktops, preferably self built.
  - throwway120385 3y ago
    I'm running a 6.7 kernel on an AMD lenovo and would respectfully disagree that there's a hardware support problem. I have full suspend/hibernate/resume and everything comes back up just like it would in Windows or Mac OSX.
    - snoopen 3y ago
      I'm also running an AMD Lenovo (Gen 3 T14) but can assure you there are still hardware support issues. The issues are rare, but there none the less. WiFi will occasionally be slow after resuming from sleep, the fingerprint reader will just stop working after a while (but can be recovered by restarting the USB device with a script), plugging in a USB3 monitor previously crashed my system but I think that was fixed in the recent kernel updates, and early on when I first got the laptop I had system resume issues. Last year I had bug regression break something, I think ethernet, was another month before that got re-fixed. I did buy it when it first hit the market so I wasn't surprised to have issues.
      - notarget137 3y ago
        I've been on T14 Gen 3 and E14 Gen 3 for quite some time and hadn't had a single issue you describing. Even running a UHD screen through Type-C and using fingerprint to authorize after powerdown (a thing MacOS and Windows can't really do). Care to share what distro and kernel you are using?
        snoopen 3y ago
        Are you on the AMD T14 Gen 3 or Intel? I've read the Intel ones are a bit better supported. I'm running Pop! OS with 6.6 kernel. Here's one of the bugs that affected me previously: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214649 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214649 What are you running to have never had an issue?
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      As someone that uses Linux in some form since 1995, has UNIX administration as one of my roles, I likewise disrespectfully disagree, having had laptops where recovery from hibernation required taking out the battery (luckily it was still possible), the fingerprint reader had its days, and no matter what incantation on OS configuration, video hardware decoding never worked, and were the only ones not able to keep a stable WiFi connection on longer downloads on my home network, requiring a LAN cable. Laptops sold by OEMs with Linux support.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    Laptops originally designed for GNU/Linux work flawlessly. Even better when you buy preinstalled. Works for me.
    - dieselgate 3y ago
      Do you have any recommendations for laptops fitting this criteria?
      - fsflover 3y ago
        I'm happy with Librem 14.
        Libcat99 3y ago
        Lack of a pointer stick is a 100% a showstopper for me. I can't stand using a trackpad.
        justinclift 3y ago
        Probably the Thinkpad range is what you're after then. They're widely used by Linux developers, so their peripherals have working drivers sooner rather than later.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      I know, that is the usual response online, then we get threads like the other day about Tuxedo.
      - fsflover 3y ago
        We get such threads about all companies, including Apple.
    - rqtwteye 3y ago
      I bought a System76 but had tons of problems.
- aNoob7000 3y ago
  I hope the "traditional" desktop doesn't disappear. Personally, I think using iOS and Android would be a step backward as a desktop computer.
  - rqtwteye 3y ago
    Agreed. But I think that’s where things are going.
- nullwarp 3y ago
  > I think the traditional desktop will go away slowly anyways and most people will use operating systems like iOS and Android. What a nightmarish hellscape that sounds like.
  - BigParm 3y ago
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  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    It's how things are going. All the under-35 software engineers I know use iOS (on a phone) for all their home computing needs. I don't get it either.
- fsflover 3y ago
  There are also GNU/Linux phones. Sent from my Librem 5.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Ever since WSL2, Windows has been objectively the best desktop os (with the only caveat that you have to have the pro version which lets you disable a bunch of the annoying stuff, and disabling that stuff takes a little bit of tweaking). You get the advantage of having all the software that doesn't work under linux, while having a linux dev environment that works very well even with Cuda for ML.
  - kbolino 3y ago
    Getting WSL2 working just right can still be an unnecessarily complicated process. And the Home versions of Windows do indeed suck for power users. But Windows will generally support every monitor and resolution/scale well which can't be said of Linux (which struggles with hidpi) or macOS (which can't do fractional scaling and has blurry fonts on lodpi).
  - justinclift 3y ago
    But you still get the forced ads and any other related monetisation crap they can think of too yeah?
    - jrepinc 3y ago
      And all the spyware. No thanks. Windows not respecting basic human rights like privacy is just a big no no.
      - ActorNightly 3y ago
        I mean, if you use any popular software from big companies, you really don't have privacy either. Microsoft is no different. Its not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
        jlpcsl 3y ago
        Does not make it less of a crime and big deal if more evil corporations do it. If anything it makes it even more of a big deal and more concerning.
- blibble 3y ago
  Windows 11 on intel requires at least 8th gen (~2018), despite older CPUs being perfectly acceptable performance wise the year of the Linux desktop will be once Windows 10 stops getting updates
- lenkite 3y ago
  Unless Android and iOS permit full-fledged development on iOS and Android, the desktop isn't going away.
dredmorbius 3y ago
Related recent discussion: Linux Hits 4% on the Desktop (imgur.com) 2024-03-02 | 47 comments <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39576200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39576200> Why desktop Linux is finally growing in popularity (zdnet.com) 2024-03-05 | 40 comments <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39607080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39607080>
ryan-c 3y ago
From the other discussion, there are clear data problems with the source this is based on: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/mobile-tablet/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/m...
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > “I wish we were better at having a standardised desktop that goes across all the distributions. This is not a kernel issue; it’s more of a personal annoyance of how the fragmentation among different vendors has perhaps held the desktop back a bit,” said Torvalds in a TFiR interview in 2018. Absolutely NOT. I would not use Linux if it forced a desktop environment on me. The whole reason of me not using windows or osx is because they do. This is the problem with "Linux on the desktop" becoming mainstream. Mainstream users want a company to tell them how to work with their computers. I have my own opinions.
  - lyu07282 3y ago
    Absolutely, I think most people probably mean Gnome when talking about the Linux Desktop. Which really says a lot about "most people" and how little I give a shit about their opinions. The benefit however is that more people using Desktop Linux might force Hardware vendors (like Nvidia) to finally get their shit together.
    - shiroiushi 3y ago
      If I had to use Gnome in order to use Linux, I'd switch back to Windows. I'd rather deal with all the horrors there (ads, etc.) than put up with Gnome telling me how I have to do everything.
      - wkat4242 3y ago
        Yes exactly that's what I was thinking. If "Linux" adopts a common desktop I'm sure it'll be gnome and that means I'm out. I can't stand it either. Opinionated software just doesn't work for me. I really love KDE. It's getting better and better and doesn't tell me how to work but it enables me in figuring out my own style of workflow by adapting to me instead of me to it.
projektfu 3y ago
I find it less aggravating than other systems. I have a Mac I use every now and again and every update it seems to have lost a feature. And Windows has gotten to the point where it's just a constant battle against Microsoft trying to steer you into their next distraction, and they reboot the computer on their schedule, not yours. If I leave my Ubuntu desktop for a while, when I come back it does some security updates but is otherwise how I left it.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >and they reboot the computer on their schedule, not yours When was the last time you used modern Windows and encountered this issue? Windows rebooting you by force was an issues in the early days for Windows 10 to the point it became a meme people like to refer back to, but that hasn't been an issue in years.
  - kbolino 3y ago
    Nowadays it just sucks bandwidth and CPU behind your back randomly to install bloated updates with features you'll never use.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      How do you know I won't use them?
      - maximus-decimus 3y ago
        Do you use the cloud-based text-based image generation in MSPaint?
        bhhaskin 3y ago
        Or how about the ads in the start menu...
        3y ago
BigParm 3y ago
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AlienRobot 3y ago
>“I wish we were better at having a standardised desktop that goes across all the distributions. This is not a kernel issue; it’s more of a personal annoyance of how the fragmentation among different vendors has perhaps held the desktop back a bit,” said Torvalds in a TFiR interview in 2018. This Torvalds guy is right. If you try to write a tutorial for how to do something in Linux, you will be in a world of pain, because users aren't using Linux, they're using apps that are using Linux. Can I write "click on the start menu at the bottom left"? I can't. Because first of all nobody even officially calls it the start menu as Windows does. Sometimes the taskbar is at the top, other times it's at the left. Can I say press windows key (I mean, the super key (I mean, the meta key)) to bring up the application launcher? I can't do that either, because it depends on the distro's default configs. Can I say Ctrl+Alt+T brings up the terminal? Who knows! At least, surely, all of these distros are GNU/Linux so I can rely on bash commands being available everywhere, right? But then if I'm writing a tutorial for SSH'ing into a server, and the server is running FreeBSD, now the commands are the same but the arguments are different! And I know FreeBSD isn't Linux but it surely is weird that all these things that are similar but different are different from that thing that is also similar but different. Meanwhile if you write a tutorial for Windows XP, it still works in Windows 11 because the system GUI and tools barely changed. This is an advantage in volunteered end user documentation that Linux can't enjoy, because any step-by-step tutorial for Linux would have to be written for every single distro, or become or a ridiculously convoluted mess. And with Waylands that is only going to get worse. Personally I'm not really counting on Linux desktop gaining popularity because, with all honesty, I found the GUIs of almost every Linux application I tried just terribly poor. Maybe this is because from I'm from XP era when lists and buttons were tightly packed into forms without all this auto-save switches nonsense, but in my mind, if Windows is losing users as they abandon their old GUIs and move into this same waste-of-space-fest (although that's probably not the reason for it), then maybe Linux should just make their GUIs like old windows instead of making them like new windows. I don't see the reason why so many of these apps lack a main menu, for example. When an app has a main menu, and I can't find a function in the main menu, I just go "well, guess it just can't do that." But now I'm just wasting my time looking around the screen seeing if there is something I can click to do what I want. And right click often doesn't do anything. Where are my context menus? And where are my tooltips? This isn't designed for desktops, is it? It's designed for tablets. I just don't think going from Windows 11 to Windows 8 is much of an improvement. It's like you made a CLI tool without --help. In KDE Discover if I press F1 do I get a manual? No, I get the About screen. Please do not make applications thinking the user can just Google it if they're stuck when if you Google "how to do X in Linux" you get 99 different solutions that don't work for your distro.
uuddlrlrbaba 3y ago
Let me know when suspend instantly resumes when the laptop is opened 100% of the time.
- pjerem 3y ago
  That’s nothing, suspend works 100% of the time when you close the lid if you clicked on Power off before closing. Ah, the joy of opening the lid the next day to see it waking up on the logout screen, then power off then you discover the battery is empty. Such a hard issue for a 3 decades OS and a quarter of a century on laptops. Even Linux never ever did that, and I can remember that sleeping haven’t always been a given under Linux.
- febrianrendak 3y ago
  Suspend works 100% for me, depends of laptop.
  - bhhaskin 3y ago
    Yep! My Dell XPS has zero issues.
- GranPC 3y ago
  In my experience*, suspend instantly resumes when the laptop is opened 100% of the time. * Only tested on 7 laptop models over the past 10 years. YMMV.
- jrepinc 3y ago
  Works 100 % fine with my KDE Slimbook I laptop and work Lenovo ThinkPad T590 laptop. Both running openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma desktop
simonblack 3y ago
I'm up to year 23 of Linux on my Desktop. "Works for Me" (TM).
- jrepinc 3y ago
  Slightly less here. Using GNU/Linux on the desktop from 2004 and Athlon 64 release. Just works and respects me as a user and human being, unlike other alternative OSes.
  - redditor98654 3y ago
    14 years for me since 2010. I was a casual windows user in college so when my first job gave me a bare metal RHEL5 desktop I was very nervous. 14 years later, one of my main criteria when changing jobs was whether the new company allowed Linux machines. The company I joined not inly allows Linux laptops but also allows bringing your own device. I am now running an AMD Ryzen 9 7950x with 128G RAM workstation running Linux. Totally overkill but I love it.
aussieguy1234 3y ago
I became frustrated with Windows 98 blue screens. Been using Linux ever since.
31337Logic 3y ago
Thank you, Microsoft, for making this possible!! :-/

63 points by alexzeitler 3y ago

Is this finally the year of the Linux desktop? I tried to go full Linux two years ago but gave up and went back to Mac. Between lots of software not available on Linux and weird problems with screens and audio I couldn’t recommend Linux to non tech people. It’s great for dev though. I think the traditional desktop will go away slowly anyways and most people will use operating systems like iOS and Android.

pjmlp 3y ago
Laptops are the new desktop, and in those GNU/Linux still has issues with 100% hardware support, even the ones from Linux OEMs still have issues with fingerprint readers, dual GPUs, sleep modes, hibernation. Where GNU/Linux works just fine are classical desktops, preferably self built.
- throwway120385 3y ago
  I'm running a 6.7 kernel on an AMD lenovo and would respectfully disagree that there's a hardware support problem. I have full suspend/hibernate/resume and everything comes back up just like it would in Windows or Mac OSX.
  - snoopen 3y ago
    I'm also running an AMD Lenovo (Gen 3 T14) but can assure you there are still hardware support issues. The issues are rare, but there none the less. WiFi will occasionally be slow after resuming from sleep, the fingerprint reader will just stop working after a while (but can be recovered by restarting the USB device with a script), plugging in a USB3 monitor previously crashed my system but I think that was fixed in the recent kernel updates, and early on when I first got the laptop I had system resume issues. Last year I had bug regression break something, I think ethernet, was another month before that got re-fixed. I did buy it when it first hit the market so I wasn't surprised to have issues.
    - notarget137 3y ago
      I've been on T14 Gen 3 and E14 Gen 3 for quite some time and hadn't had a single issue you describing. Even running a UHD screen through Type-C and using fingerprint to authorize after powerdown (a thing MacOS and Windows can't really do). Care to share what distro and kernel you are using?
      - snoopen 3y ago
        Are you on the AMD T14 Gen 3 or Intel? I've read the Intel ones are a bit better supported. I'm running Pop! OS with 6.6 kernel. Here's one of the bugs that affected me previously: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214649 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214649 What are you running to have never had an issue?
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    As someone that uses Linux in some form since 1995, has UNIX administration as one of my roles, I likewise disrespectfully disagree, having had laptops where recovery from hibernation required taking out the battery (luckily it was still possible), the fingerprint reader had its days, and no matter what incantation on OS configuration, video hardware decoding never worked, and were the only ones not able to keep a stable WiFi connection on longer downloads on my home network, requiring a LAN cable. Laptops sold by OEMs with Linux support.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Laptops originally designed for GNU/Linux work flawlessly. Even better when you buy preinstalled. Works for me.
  - dieselgate 3y ago
    Do you have any recommendations for laptops fitting this criteria?
    - fsflover 3y ago
      I'm happy with Librem 14.
      - Libcat99 3y ago
        Lack of a pointer stick is a 100% a showstopper for me. I can't stand using a trackpad.
        justinclift 3y ago
        Probably the Thinkpad range is what you're after then. They're widely used by Linux developers, so their peripherals have working drivers sooner rather than later.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    I know, that is the usual response online, then we get threads like the other day about Tuxedo.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      We get such threads about all companies, including Apple.
  - rqtwteye 3y ago
    I bought a System76 but had tons of problems.
aNoob7000 3y ago
I hope the "traditional" desktop doesn't disappear. Personally, I think using iOS and Android would be a step backward as a desktop computer.
- rqtwteye 3y ago
  Agreed. But I think that’s where things are going.
nullwarp 3y ago
> I think the traditional desktop will go away slowly anyways and most people will use operating systems like iOS and Android. What a nightmarish hellscape that sounds like.
- BigParm 3y ago
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- shiroiushi 3y ago
  It's how things are going. All the under-35 software engineers I know use iOS (on a phone) for all their home computing needs. I don't get it either.
fsflover 3y ago
There are also GNU/Linux phones. Sent from my Librem 5.
ActorNightly 3y ago
Ever since WSL2, Windows has been objectively the best desktop os (with the only caveat that you have to have the pro version which lets you disable a bunch of the annoying stuff, and disabling that stuff takes a little bit of tweaking). You get the advantage of having all the software that doesn't work under linux, while having a linux dev environment that works very well even with Cuda for ML.
- kbolino 3y ago
  Getting WSL2 working just right can still be an unnecessarily complicated process. And the Home versions of Windows do indeed suck for power users. But Windows will generally support every monitor and resolution/scale well which can't be said of Linux (which struggles with hidpi) or macOS (which can't do fractional scaling and has blurry fonts on lodpi).
- justinclift 3y ago
  But you still get the forced ads and any other related monetisation crap they can think of too yeah?
  - jrepinc 3y ago
    And all the spyware. No thanks. Windows not respecting basic human rights like privacy is just a big no no.
    - ActorNightly 3y ago
      I mean, if you use any popular software from big companies, you really don't have privacy either. Microsoft is no different. Its not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
      - jlpcsl 3y ago
        Does not make it less of a crime and big deal if more evil corporations do it. If anything it makes it even more of a big deal and more concerning.
blibble 3y ago
Windows 11 on intel requires at least 8th gen (~2018), despite older CPUs being perfectly acceptable performance wise the year of the Linux desktop will be once Windows 10 stops getting updates
lenkite 3y ago
Unless Android and iOS permit full-fledged development on iOS and Android, the desktop isn't going away.

dredmorbius 3y ago

Related recent discussion: Linux Hits 4% on the Desktop (imgur.com) 2024-03-02 | 47 comments <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39576200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39576200> Why desktop Linux is finally growing in popularity (zdnet.com) 2024-03-05 | 40 comments <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39607080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39607080>

ryan-c 3y ago

From the other discussion, there are clear data problems with the source this is based on: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/mobile-tablet/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/m...

wkat4242 3y ago
> “I wish we were better at having a standardised desktop that goes across all the distributions. This is not a kernel issue; it’s more of a personal annoyance of how the fragmentation among different vendors has perhaps held the desktop back a bit,” said Torvalds in a TFiR interview in 2018. Absolutely NOT. I would not use Linux if it forced a desktop environment on me. The whole reason of me not using windows or osx is because they do. This is the problem with "Linux on the desktop" becoming mainstream. Mainstream users want a company to tell them how to work with their computers. I have my own opinions.
- lyu07282 3y ago
  Absolutely, I think most people probably mean Gnome when talking about the Linux Desktop. Which really says a lot about "most people" and how little I give a shit about their opinions. The benefit however is that more people using Desktop Linux might force Hardware vendors (like Nvidia) to finally get their shit together.
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    If I had to use Gnome in order to use Linux, I'd switch back to Windows. I'd rather deal with all the horrors there (ads, etc.) than put up with Gnome telling me how I have to do everything.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Yes exactly that's what I was thinking. If "Linux" adopts a common desktop I'm sure it'll be gnome and that means I'm out. I can't stand it either. Opinionated software just doesn't work for me. I really love KDE. It's getting better and better and doesn't tell me how to work but it enables me in figuring out my own style of workflow by adapting to me instead of me to it.

projektfu 3y ago

I find it less aggravating than other systems. I have a Mac I use every now and again and every update it seems to have lost a feature. And Windows has gotten to the point where it's just a constant battle against Microsoft trying to steer you into their next distraction, and they reboot the computer on their schedule, not yours. If I leave my Ubuntu desktop for a while, when I come back it does some security updates but is otherwise how I left it.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>and they reboot the computer on their schedule, not yours When was the last time you used modern Windows and encountered this issue? Windows rebooting you by force was an issues in the early days for Windows 10 to the point it became a meme people like to refer back to, but that hasn't been an issue in years.
- kbolino 3y ago
  Nowadays it just sucks bandwidth and CPU behind your back randomly to install bloated updates with features you'll never use.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    How do you know I won't use them?
    - maximus-decimus 3y ago
      Do you use the cloud-based text-based image generation in MSPaint?
      - bhhaskin 3y ago
        Or how about the ads in the start menu...
        3y ago

BigParm 3y ago

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AlienRobot 3y ago

>“I wish we were better at having a standardised desktop that goes across all the distributions. This is not a kernel issue; it’s more of a personal annoyance of how the fragmentation among different vendors has perhaps held the desktop back a bit,” said Torvalds in a TFiR interview in 2018. This Torvalds guy is right. If you try to write a tutorial for how to do something in Linux, you will be in a world of pain, because users aren't using Linux, they're using apps that are using Linux. Can I write "click on the start menu at the bottom left"? I can't. Because first of all nobody even officially calls it the start menu as Windows does. Sometimes the taskbar is at the top, other times it's at the left. Can I say press windows key (I mean, the super key (I mean, the meta key)) to bring up the application launcher? I can't do that either, because it depends on the distro's default configs. Can I say Ctrl+Alt+T brings up the terminal? Who knows! At least, surely, all of these distros are GNU/Linux so I can rely on bash commands being available everywhere, right? But then if I'm writing a tutorial for SSH'ing into a server, and the server is running FreeBSD, now the commands are the same but the arguments are different! And I know FreeBSD isn't Linux but it surely is weird that all these things that are similar but different are different from that thing that is also similar but different. Meanwhile if you write a tutorial for Windows XP, it still works in Windows 11 because the system GUI and tools barely changed. This is an advantage in volunteered end user documentation that Linux can't enjoy, because any step-by-step tutorial for Linux would have to be written for every single distro, or become or a ridiculously convoluted mess. And with Waylands that is only going to get worse. Personally I'm not really counting on Linux desktop gaining popularity because, with all honesty, I found the GUIs of almost every Linux application I tried just terribly poor. Maybe this is because from I'm from XP era when lists and buttons were tightly packed into forms without all this auto-save switches nonsense, but in my mind, if Windows is losing users as they abandon their old GUIs and move into this same waste-of-space-fest (although that's probably not the reason for it), then maybe Linux should just make their GUIs like old windows instead of making them like new windows. I don't see the reason why so many of these apps lack a main menu, for example. When an app has a main menu, and I can't find a function in the main menu, I just go "well, guess it just can't do that." But now I'm just wasting my time looking around the screen seeing if there is something I can click to do what I want. And right click often doesn't do anything. Where are my context menus? And where are my tooltips? This isn't designed for desktops, is it? It's designed for tablets. I just don't think going from Windows 11 to Windows 8 is much of an improvement. It's like you made a CLI tool without --help. In KDE Discover if I press F1 do I get a manual? No, I get the About screen. Please do not make applications thinking the user can just Google it if they're stuck when if you Google "how to do X in Linux" you get 99 different solutions that don't work for your distro.

uuddlrlrbaba 3y ago

Let me know when suspend instantly resumes when the laptop is opened 100% of the time.

pjerem 3y ago
That’s nothing, suspend works 100% of the time when you close the lid if you clicked on Power off before closing. Ah, the joy of opening the lid the next day to see it waking up on the logout screen, then power off then you discover the battery is empty. Such a hard issue for a 3 decades OS and a quarter of a century on laptops. Even Linux never ever did that, and I can remember that sleeping haven’t always been a given under Linux.
febrianrendak 3y ago
Suspend works 100% for me, depends of laptop.
- bhhaskin 3y ago
  Yep! My Dell XPS has zero issues.
GranPC 3y ago
In my experience*, suspend instantly resumes when the laptop is opened 100% of the time. * Only tested on 7 laptop models over the past 10 years. YMMV.
jrepinc 3y ago
Works 100 % fine with my KDE Slimbook I laptop and work Lenovo ThinkPad T590 laptop. Both running openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma desktop

simonblack 3y ago

I'm up to year 23 of Linux on my Desktop. "Works for Me" (TM).

jrepinc 3y ago
Slightly less here. Using GNU/Linux on the desktop from 2004 and Athlon 64 release. Just works and respects me as a user and human being, unlike other alternative OSes.
- redditor98654 3y ago
  14 years for me since 2010. I was a casual windows user in college so when my first job gave me a bare metal RHEL5 desktop I was very nervous. 14 years later, one of my main criteria when changing jobs was whether the new company allowed Linux machines. The company I joined not inly allows Linux laptops but also allows bringing your own device. I am now running an AMD Ryzen 9 7950x with 128G RAM workstation running Linux. Totally overkill but I love it.

aussieguy1234 3y ago

I became frustrated with Windows 98 blue screens. Been using Linux ever since.

31337Logic 3y ago

Thank you, Microsoft, for making this possible!! :-/