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Does it? Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

by r00fus 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example? Presumably to coördinate intelligence? (I'm guesing.) If you don't trust the Feds, your options are to partner or duplicate that capability in house. Partnering seems the cheaper option.
- text0404 3y ago
  foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department. the US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department Demonstrably, not the NYPD's. > US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil Sure. But those foreign countries allowed them. And again, nobody is granting the NYPD extraterritorial policing powers. They're there to collaborate on intelligence.
    - jonathankoren 3y ago
      >> foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department > Demonstrably, not the NYPD's. Is it demonstrable? Allow me to skeptical until New York's Finest crack a case that the NSA, CIA, and FBI can't handle. This looks like a cushy assignment for some people with union pull.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Is it demonstrable? Allow me to skeptical until New York's Finest crack a case that the NSA, CIA, and FBI can't handle. It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy. Also, I don't think the NYPD aims to crack cases the Feds can't. It's more about directing resources towards areas they believe the Fed's aren't monitoring effectively or won't commit the resources they believe it deserves. If something were picked up, the NYPD would loop in the Feds.
        jonathankoren 3y ago
        >It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy. No. If an animal control officer starts delivering mail, that doesn’t mean mail delivery is now part of the Department of Fish and Game. There is a terms for this: a bureaucratic overreach, wasteful government spending, a distraction. What do you think a city cop can even do in a foreign country? What resource does the NYPD even have?? Who is going to say, “I can’t talk the local cops, or the local intelligence agency, nor can I tell the Americans directly, but maybe i can tell some foreign country’s local cop! But I can’t just tell them directly. If only this foreign country’s local police had an office here!” An NYPD cop has less training and less resources than someone working for a federal intelligence agency. That’s just the truth. It’s a post-9/11 grift founded by former police commissioner, convicted felon, and embezzler, Bernie Kerik. That’s what it is. It’s obvious, and it was obvious almost 23 years ago. Come on! The NYPD Israeli office isn’t even in the Israeli capital. It’s in a beach resort!
      - FuriouslyAdrift 3y ago
        The NYPD has had a Joint Terrorism Task Force with the FBI since 1980. https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism/joint-terrorism-task-forces https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism/joint-terrorism-ta...
        jonathankoren 3y ago
        And not what we're talking about. Not even relevant. You want an actual relevant link? Here you go! https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-intelligence-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-i... >Other law enforcement and intelligence agencies, particularly the F.B.I. and C.I.A., have opposed the department’s overseas deployment. Mr. Kelly was criticized for sharing information about terror attacks in London in 2005 and Mumbai in 2008. Federal officials have also complained about the police “freelancing” their own terrorism investigations. What are these "terrorism" investigations? Jewelry store robberies. >But Chief Galati said the mission of the program had shifted over time, and these days his officers were investigating other crimes. “As it evolved from terrorism, we started to see more and more criminal cases coming up,” Chief Galati said. He cited an instance where some of the $800,000 worth of watches taken in a December 2017 gunpoint robbery from the A. Lange & Söhne boutique on Madison Avenue were tracked down to a pawnshop in Amman, Jordan. “The world is a small place,” Chief Galati said.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Exactly what coordination of intelligence is required? To me this would be like my local utility needing to have an anti-nuclear proliferation Taskforce with another utility from a different country...
  - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
    They can freely engage in 4A breaches outside US soil. The Israeli panopticon is for sale to interested parties.
  - thejazzman 3y ago
    They don't?!
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  I guess the real question that is not openly posed is whether NYPD has mandate do that before we even get to the part as to whether it is cost-effective, warranted or even desirable. Sheriff of my podunk lil town doesn't run work with Italy's podunk town mayor for example.
- mrd3v0 3y ago
  Ah yes, coordinating intelligence half way across the planet with the same country that legalises its IT companies selling illegal tracking of political and ethnic targets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigati...
xrd 3y ago
They have a subway system in Tel Aviv. I'm sure they will be happy to have NYPD patrolling it, keeping it safe. /s You see things like this and wonder how that money escapes scrutiny when everything else is debated endlessly.

Does it? Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

by r00fus 3y ago

Does it? Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example?

> Why does the NYPD have an office in Tel Aviv for example? Presumably to coördinate intelligence? (I'm guesing.) If you don't trust the Feds, your options are to partner or duplicate that capability in house. Partnering seems the cheaper option.

text0404 3y ago
foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department. the US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department Demonstrably, not the NYPD's. > US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil Sure. But those foreign countries allowed them. And again, nobody is granting the NYPD extraterritorial policing powers. They're there to collaborate on intelligence.
  - jonathankoren 3y ago
    >> foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department > Demonstrably, not the NYPD's. Is it demonstrable? Allow me to skeptical until New York's Finest crack a case that the NSA, CIA, and FBI can't handle. This looks like a cushy assignment for some people with union pull.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Is it demonstrable? Allow me to skeptical until New York's Finest crack a case that the NSA, CIA, and FBI can't handle. It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy. Also, I don't think the NYPD aims to crack cases the Feds can't. It's more about directing resources towards areas they believe the Fed's aren't monitoring effectively or won't commit the resources they believe it deserves. If something were picked up, the NYPD would loop in the Feds.
      - jonathankoren 3y ago
        >It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy. No. If an animal control officer starts delivering mail, that doesn’t mean mail delivery is now part of the Department of Fish and Game. There is a terms for this: a bureaucratic overreach, wasteful government spending, a distraction. What do you think a city cop can even do in a foreign country? What resource does the NYPD even have?? Who is going to say, “I can’t talk the local cops, or the local intelligence agency, nor can I tell the Americans directly, but maybe i can tell some foreign country’s local cop! But I can’t just tell them directly. If only this foreign country’s local police had an office here!” An NYPD cop has less training and less resources than someone working for a federal intelligence agency. That’s just the truth. It’s a post-9/11 grift founded by former police commissioner, convicted felon, and embezzler, Bernie Kerik. That’s what it is. It’s obvious, and it was obvious almost 23 years ago. Come on! The NYPD Israeli office isn’t even in the Israeli capital. It’s in a beach resort!
    - FuriouslyAdrift 3y ago
      The NYPD has had a Joint Terrorism Task Force with the FBI since 1980. https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism/joint-terrorism-task-forces https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism/joint-terrorism-ta...
      - jonathankoren 3y ago
        And not what we're talking about. Not even relevant. You want an actual relevant link? Here you go! https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-intelligence-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-i... >Other law enforcement and intelligence agencies, particularly the F.B.I. and C.I.A., have opposed the department’s overseas deployment. Mr. Kelly was criticized for sharing information about terror attacks in London in 2005 and Mumbai in 2008. Federal officials have also complained about the police “freelancing” their own terrorism investigations. What are these "terrorism" investigations? Jewelry store robberies. >But Chief Galati said the mission of the program had shifted over time, and these days his officers were investigating other crimes. “As it evolved from terrorism, we started to see more and more criminal cases coming up,” Chief Galati said. He cited an instance where some of the $800,000 worth of watches taken in a December 2017 gunpoint robbery from the A. Lange & Söhne boutique on Madison Avenue were tracked down to a pawnshop in Amman, Jordan. “The world is a small place,” Chief Galati said.
r00fus 3y ago
Exactly what coordination of intelligence is required? To me this would be like my local utility needing to have an anti-nuclear proliferation Taskforce with another utility from a different country...
- kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
  They can freely engage in 4A breaches outside US soil. The Israeli panopticon is for sale to interested parties.
- thejazzman 3y ago
  They don't?!
A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
I guess the real question that is not openly posed is whether NYPD has mandate do that before we even get to the part as to whether it is cost-effective, warranted or even desirable. Sheriff of my podunk lil town doesn't run work with Italy's podunk town mayor for example.
mrd3v0 3y ago
Ah yes, coordinating intelligence half way across the planet with the same country that legalises its IT companies selling illegal tracking of political and ethnic targets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigati...

xrd 3y ago

They have a subway system in Tel Aviv. I'm sure they will be happy to have NYPD patrolling it, keeping it safe. /s You see things like this and wonder how that money escapes scrutiny when everything else is debated endlessly.