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Could you link a few with injuries anywhere near this size? I feel like that’d be national news, so it’s surprising to hear it’s happening often.

BWStearns 3y ago
Not a control issue but there was a Hawaiian flight that had 36 injuries from turbulence. Edit to add: it would be unsurprising if turbulence was the cause here and the passenger quoted had their facts wrong. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/18/us/hawaiian-airlines-injuries-turbulence/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/18/us/hawaiian-airlines-injuries...
- nsguy 3y ago
  An airplane doesn't suddenly drop out of the sky because its controls stops responding. So I agree that on the face of it it's either turbulence or some sort of aggressive manoeuvre, either initiated by the pilots accidentally or somehow initiated by the airplanes control systems, not simply "stopped responding to controls".
  - BWStearns 3y ago
    Yeah, I just started typing out a scenario where instruments blipping might do it and it started getting implausible several clauses in.
orbital-decay 3y ago
https://avherald.com/h?article=51212eb5 https://avherald.com/h?article=51212eb5 https://avherald.com/h?article=515c54c7 https://avherald.com/h?article=515c54c7 https://avherald.com/h?article=5153c289 https://avherald.com/h?article=5153c289 https://avherald.com/h?article=514dd2cc https://avherald.com/h?article=514dd2cc https://avherald.com/h?article=51474192 https://avherald.com/h?article=51474192 https://avherald.com/h?article=50a9fa9f https://avherald.com/h?article=50a9fa9f https://avherald.com/h?article=512e34e3 https://avherald.com/h?article=512e34e3 Only three are "anywhere near", but you get the idea, that's just browsing the first page with the accident filter on.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  None of those are "flight control issues".
  - stouset 3y ago
    “Flight control issues” is a passenger’s retelling of what they remember a pilot saying. I have heard a lot of passengers recount events from incident flights. I have seen vanishingly few where there was much overlap between what actually happened and what they believe happened.
    - inferiorhuman 3y ago
      So? The Australian regulators (ATSB) have reason to believe the accident is related to flight systems resetting.

BWStearns 3y ago

Not a control issue but there was a Hawaiian flight that had 36 injuries from turbulence. Edit to add: it would be unsurprising if turbulence was the cause here and the passenger quoted had their facts wrong. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/18/us/hawaiian-airlines-injuries-turbulence/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/18/us/hawaiian-airlines-injuries...

nsguy 3y ago
An airplane doesn't suddenly drop out of the sky because its controls stops responding. So I agree that on the face of it it's either turbulence or some sort of aggressive manoeuvre, either initiated by the pilots accidentally or somehow initiated by the airplanes control systems, not simply "stopped responding to controls".
- BWStearns 3y ago
  Yeah, I just started typing out a scenario where instruments blipping might do it and it started getting implausible several clauses in.

orbital-decay 3y ago

https://avherald.com/h?article=51212eb5 https://avherald.com/h?article=51212eb5 https://avherald.com/h?article=515c54c7 https://avherald.com/h?article=515c54c7 https://avherald.com/h?article=5153c289 https://avherald.com/h?article=5153c289 https://avherald.com/h?article=514dd2cc https://avherald.com/h?article=514dd2cc https://avherald.com/h?article=51474192 https://avherald.com/h?article=51474192 https://avherald.com/h?article=50a9fa9f https://avherald.com/h?article=50a9fa9f https://avherald.com/h?article=512e34e3 https://avherald.com/h?article=512e34e3 Only three are "anywhere near", but you get the idea, that's just browsing the first page with the accident filter on.

inferiorhuman 3y ago
None of those are "flight control issues".
- stouset 3y ago
  “Flight control issues” is a passenger’s retelling of what they remember a pilot saying. I have heard a lot of passengers recount events from incident flights. I have seen vanishingly few where there was much overlap between what actually happened and what they believe happened.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    So? The Australian regulators (ATSB) have reason to believe the accident is related to flight systems resetting.