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NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries

• JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries It has a more complicated remit than most countries' militaries. (For example, the NYPD functions as the UN's ersatz security force.)
  • ceejayoz 3y ago
    Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true. Their budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's.
    • JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true Get rid of the UN and the NYPD can be smaller. And it's not just the UN. New York is a second diplomatic capital. So you're also replicating D.C.'s consular security force. This is before we get to it being a financial and cultural centre, to say nothing of the largest city in America and a precedented target of international terrorism. > budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's New York City's economy is double the size of Ukraine's pre-war economy [1][2]. Were it a country, it would sit between Turkey and Indonesia, eclipsing even the economy of Saudi Arabia [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross_Domestic_Product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_economic_indicators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_econom... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)#Table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
      • ceejayoz 3y ago
        The fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states. Chicago and LA are roughly #60 on the list of the world's militaries.
        • JumpCrisscross 3y ago
          > fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states And I'm contextualising it. Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. > we're the third highest in percent of GDP spent on cops America is definitely over-policed. I'm not sure New York is.
          • ska 3y ago
            > I'm not sure New York is. By $ it seems almost certainly; by capability perhaps not.
          • Arrath 3y ago
            > Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. I just can't say I agree with this statement. NYC itself being part of an even bigger nation-state should mean that a number of the responsibilities that fall under the purview of your example similarly sized nation-states militaries/establishments are likewise handled by NYC's parent state, allowing for efficiencies that free up resources better spent on other programs. On its face the duplication of effort on several levels seems wasteful. E: So my thesis is that I agree that NYC should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states, however they could be better apportioned.
            • JumpCrisscross 3y ago
              I agree. I also can't see a New York politician dismantling that infrastructure, given the downsides that would result were a plot to get through. (Irrespective of whether the NYPD's international offices would have helped.)
          • adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
            why are you comparing NYC police force to Ukraine military rather than Ukraine police force? The fact that anyone sees the roles as comparable is a lot of the problem.
• Terr_ 3y ago
  Assuming that's true for the sake of argument, it shouldn't be that surprising given that NYC is more-populous than the long tail of "most" countries as well. Having 8.5 million people puts it near Austria, Switzerland, Hong Kong [0], or Serbia. [0] Yeah yeah, "one country two systems", whatever, it's still a relevant comparison.
• humansareok1 3y ago
  NYC has a higher GDP than most countries. So what?