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The NYPD actually has 'international offices': * https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypd-stationed-overseas-increasing-global-terror-threat/1151214/ https:/

The NYPD actually has 'international offices': * https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypd-stationed-overseas-increasing-global-terror-threat/1151214/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypd-stationed-oversea... * https://archive.is/ZOYiw https://archive.is/ZOYiw / https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-intelligence-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/terrorism-nypd-i...

eli 3y ago
NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries It has a more complicated remit than most countries' militaries. (For example, the NYPD functions as the UN's ersatz security force.)
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true. Their budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true Get rid of the UN and the NYPD can be smaller. And it's not just the UN. New York is a second diplomatic capital. So you're also replicating D.C.'s consular security force. This is before we get to it being a financial and cultural centre, to say nothing of the largest city in America and a precedented target of international terrorism. > budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's New York City's economy is double the size of Ukraine's pre-war economy [1][2]. Were it a country, it would sit between Turkey and Indonesia, eclipsing even the economy of Saudi Arabia [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross_Domestic_Product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_economic_indicators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_econom... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)#Table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        The fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states. Chicago and LA are roughly #60 on the list of the world's militaries.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states And I'm contextualising it. Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. > we're the third highest in percent of GDP spent on cops America is definitely over-policed. I'm not sure New York is.
        ska 3y ago
        > I'm not sure New York is. By $ it seems almost certainly; by capability perhaps not.
        Arrath 3y ago
        > Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. I just can't say I agree with this statement. NYC itself being part of an even bigger nation-state should mean that a number of the responsibilities that fall under the purview of your example similarly sized nation-states militaries/establishments are likewise handled by NYC's parent state, allowing for efficiencies that free up resources better spent on other programs. On its face the duplication of effort on several levels seems wasteful. E: So my thesis is that I agree that NYC should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states, however they could be better apportioned.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        I agree. I also can't see a New York politician dismantling that infrastructure, given the downsides that would result were a plot to get through. (Irrespective of whether the NYPD's international offices would have helped.)
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Assuming that's true for the sake of argument, it shouldn't be that surprising given that NYC is more-populous than the long tail of "most" countries as well. Having 8.5 million people puts it near Austria, Switzerland, Hong Kong [0], or Serbia. [0] Yeah yeah, "one country two systems", whatever, it's still a relevant comparison.
- humansareok1 3y ago
  NYC has a higher GDP than most countries. So what?
mikrl 3y ago
I’m not sure how I feel about the logistics of this. On the one hand, municipality to municipality (Antwerp to NYC) makes sense since both will have similar challenges in law enforcement activities. On the other hand, this seems to be a channel that bypasses the Feds, who are ultimately the ones with the National Security purview, and most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc) After 9/11, it seems fair for New York to want to take anti-terrorism into its own hands, even if that duplicates certain federal functions. (I'm not arguing it's effective. Just that it makes sense for the city to not entirely trust the Feds.)
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  - zwirbl 3y ago
    That doesn't really make sense, will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US? To my knowledge, the NYPD doesn't patrol outside its borders. The international offices are for coördinating intelligence.
    - mikrl 3y ago
      I was surprised to see US border control at Toronto Pearson but I suppose it makes sense to screen passengers on this side given the proximity of Toronto to a US workforce, and it would alleviate US airports to receive Canadian traffic as a pseudo-domestic arrival (I assume this is what happened when I flew YYZ->DFW)
simpletone 3y ago
> The NYPD actually has 'international offices': I wonder whether the media is going to write hysterical propaganda pieces about this, like they did with chinese 'international offices'. With the media, it's always accuse others of what you are doing.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Not sure what you consider "hysterical propaganda", but this is a thing that has been widely, and critically, covered in the media for decades.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Isn't a Chinese international office called a consulate? Why would it come across as strange that they would have them?
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    They are accused and indeed 2 charged with running essentially outposts for the ccp gestapo to spy on citizens and former citizens living abroad and critics. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-alleged-secret-overseas-police-stations https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-allege... Its not hysteria at all.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > like they did with chinese 'international offices' The NYPD's international offices do not have policing powers. They can't arrest people. They can't search or seize suspects. They're there with the full knowledge and coöperation of their hosts. The Chinese police departments were exercising police powers on foreign soil without the host countries' permission. Night and day.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Why do you write 'cooperation' with an umlaut?
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Of course they do. They're the military for the country of New York City. There's also an intelligence bureau with overseas offices too. They regularly conduct undercover buys at gun shops in foreign nations like Ohio and Virginia. Personally I hope that they'll sign peace treaties with these other places someday. Too much hate in the world.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  > They're the military for the country of New York City. no, there is a lot of law and history to make those laws.. that specifically and in great detail, separate the roles, responsibilities, oversight, legal powers and funding, for obvious reasons.
jonathankoren 3y ago
The NYPD's budget in FY 2024 is 5.3 *BILLION* dollars[0] This is more than total military expenditure of Romania.[1] A $115 million of this 5.3 billion was used to settle lawsuits last year.[2] [0] https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2023/05/NYPD.pdf https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/nyregion/nypd-police-misconduct-settlements.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/nyregion/nypd-police-misc...
- woodruffw 3y ago
  The NYPD's budget is also a significant underestimate, since the NYPD typically blows through hundreds of millions of dollars of additional overtime funding each year[1]. It would be accurate to say that the NYPD's budget is both gigantic and under-accounted. [1]: https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nypd-overspending-on-overtime-grew-dramatically-in-recent-years/ https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nypd-overspending-on-ov...

eli 3y ago

NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> NYPD has more resources than most countries' militaries It has a more complicated remit than most countries' militaries. (For example, the NYPD functions as the UN's ersatz security force.)
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true. Their budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Get rid of the UN and the statement would likely still be true Get rid of the UN and the NYPD can be smaller. And it's not just the UN. New York is a second diplomatic capital. So you're also replicating D.C.'s consular security force. This is before we get to it being a financial and cultural centre, to say nothing of the largest city in America and a precedented target of international terrorism. > budget is roughly equivalent to 2020 Ukraine's New York City's economy is double the size of Ukraine's pre-war economy [1][2]. Were it a country, it would sit between Turkey and Indonesia, eclipsing even the economy of Saudi Arabia [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross_Domestic_Product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#Gross... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_economic_indicators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine#Main_econom... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)#Table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      The fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states. Chicago and LA are roughly #60 on the list of the world's militaries.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > fact remains that single cities in the US - NY is hardly the only example - have budgets, manpower, and weaponry that exceed much of the world's nation states And I'm contextualising it. Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. > we're the third highest in percent of GDP spent on cops America is definitely over-policed. I'm not sure New York is.
        ska 3y ago
        > I'm not sure New York is. By $ it seems almost certainly; by capability perhaps not.
        Arrath 3y ago
        > Given its population and economy, the NYPD should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states. I just can't say I agree with this statement. NYC itself being part of an even bigger nation-state should mean that a number of the responsibilities that fall under the purview of your example similarly sized nation-states militaries/establishments are likewise handled by NYC's parent state, allowing for efficiencies that free up resources better spent on other programs. On its face the duplication of effort on several levels seems wasteful. E: So my thesis is that I agree that NYC should have the resources of similarly-sized nation-states, however they could be better apportioned.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        I agree. I also can't see a New York politician dismantling that infrastructure, given the downsides that would result were a plot to get through. (Irrespective of whether the NYPD's international offices would have helped.)
Terr_ 3y ago
Assuming that's true for the sake of argument, it shouldn't be that surprising given that NYC is more-populous than the long tail of "most" countries as well. Having 8.5 million people puts it near Austria, Switzerland, Hong Kong [0], or Serbia. [0] Yeah yeah, "one country two systems", whatever, it's still a relevant comparison.
humansareok1 3y ago
NYC has a higher GDP than most countries. So what?

mikrl 3y ago

I’m not sure how I feel about the logistics of this. On the one hand, municipality to municipality (Antwerp to NYC) makes sense since both will have similar challenges in law enforcement activities. On the other hand, this seems to be a channel that bypasses the Feds, who are ultimately the ones with the National Security purview, and most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc) After 9/11, it seems fair for New York to want to take anti-terrorism into its own hands, even if that duplicates certain federal functions. (I'm not arguing it's effective. Just that it makes sense for the city to not entirely trust the Feds.)
- deleted 3y ago
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- zwirbl 3y ago
  That doesn't really make sense, will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > will the NYPD start patrolling airports in Europe and flights to the US? To my knowledge, the NYPD doesn't patrol outside its borders. The international offices are for coördinating intelligence.
  - mikrl 3y ago
    I was surprised to see US border control at Toronto Pearson but I suppose it makes sense to screen passengers on this side given the proximity of Toronto to a US workforce, and it would alleviate US airports to receive Canadian traffic as a pseudo-domestic arrival (I assume this is what happened when I flew YYZ->DFW)

simpletone 3y ago

> The NYPD actually has 'international offices': I wonder whether the media is going to write hysterical propaganda pieces about this, like they did with chinese 'international offices'. With the media, it's always accuse others of what you are doing.

JohnFen 3y ago
Not sure what you consider "hysterical propaganda", but this is a thing that has been widely, and critically, covered in the media for decades.
dylan604 3y ago
Isn't a Chinese international office called a consulate? Why would it come across as strange that they would have them?
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  They are accused and indeed 2 charged with running essentially outposts for the ccp gestapo to spy on citizens and former citizens living abroad and critics. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-alleged-secret-overseas-police-stations https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-allege... Its not hysteria at all.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> like they did with chinese 'international offices' The NYPD's international offices do not have policing powers. They can't arrest people. They can't search or seize suspects. They're there with the full knowledge and coöperation of their hosts. The Chinese police departments were exercising police powers on foreign soil without the host countries' permission. Night and day.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  Why do you write 'cooperation' with an umlaut?

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

Of course they do. They're the military for the country of New York City. There's also an intelligence bureau with overseas offices too. They regularly conduct undercover buys at gun shops in foreign nations like Ohio and Virginia. Personally I hope that they'll sign peace treaties with these other places someday. Too much hate in the world.

mistrial9 3y ago
> They're the military for the country of New York City. no, there is a lot of law and history to make those laws.. that specifically and in great detail, separate the roles, responsibilities, oversight, legal powers and funding, for obvious reasons.

jonathankoren 3y ago

The NYPD's budget in FY 2024 is 5.3 *BILLION* dollars[0] This is more than total military expenditure of Romania.[1] A $115 million of this 5.3 billion was used to settle lawsuits last year.[2] [0] https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2023/05/NYPD.pdf https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/nyregion/nypd-police-misconduct-settlements.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/nyregion/nypd-police-misc...

woodruffw 3y ago
The NYPD's budget is also a significant underestimate, since the NYPD typically blows through hundreds of millions of dollars of additional overtime funding each year[1]. It would be accurate to say that the NYPD's budget is both gigantic and under-accounted. [1]: https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nypd-overspending-on-overtime-grew-dramatically-in-recent-years/ https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nypd-overspending-on-ov...